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Old 01-23-2007, 07:56 AM
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Now you mistrust mayors. Which essentially means you distrust all government, which means you won't accept government statistics. I don't know if any source exists that you would call unbiased. Hence your demand for "unbiased" sources is empty.
Hardly. I question what you always want to accept at face value. How can a survey of government workers be meaningful when this is happening?:

http://www.politicalforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23910

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And they generally require identification and proof of need.
If that was so, things like this wouldn't be happening

http://www.politicalforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23910

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Good for you.
No, it wasn't a good experience for me.

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LOLOL.... So if we didn't have taxes, we wouldn't have homelessness? Is that what you're arguing?
No, that's not what I'm arguing. We will ALWAYS have some level of people who do not want to work or who are mentally ill and will not work in any economic system. But with few, and lower, taxes, the incidence of homelessness and joblessness will decrease significantly.

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Survey work, actually. About the only feasible way to get a grip on a population that is very hard to measure.
And highly susceptible to bias and error.

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You use this mantra as if that refutes all other claims.
It does if fraud is proven to be involved.

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be vigilant for fraud
Obviously, this isn't happening...

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Even if we take your anonymous anecdote at face value, do you know for a fact that they were getting the meals for free or reduced price?
Yes. In one case I know a girl's mother also worked, but she only listed her father's income. She also didn't disclose the fact that she was working a part time job as well. In another case, the kid showed me his card stating he was on the program. He lived with his mom, his parents were divorced, but somehow the child support wasn't calculated in - so he got in the program. I don't know of any kids who specifically CHOSE those meals. It may have happened, but the ones that I saw doing it claimed to be in the program.

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Agreed. But if I live in NYC, what should my plan be?
If you can't formulate a plan, don't live there. You would really rely on the government to get you out during a disaster in NYC? I'd say that's very gullible. NYC during a disaster will be very similar to New Orleans. They might be a little better prepared, but their logistics are a lot tougher to navigate.
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