Honestly Dan, I've given up on either one of us being able to convince each other on this topic. Maybe if you've been where I've been or end up losing all you have like many Americans have, then you will change your mind. On the flip side of that, I don't know where you've been and maybe if I become a business who doe well for myself, then maybe my mind will change. Outside that, I don't see us convincing each other. And yes, I can admit that my last post was kinda weak, but hey, it was 200 in the morning, give me a break.

-Demosthenes

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