Originally Posted by Herkdriver

You have, in my opinion, was it called "hedonic adaptation".

You don't think a new born child is anything special, or a mountain range or an ocean or the vast evening sky...you're bored with it...

"big deal"
"life is cheap"
"we're nothing special"
"it all just happened"

This is why the Atheistic point of view is something I detest.

Originally Posted by BigRed

Thus, science does not negate a "God".

Yet, you have asserted that science does in fact do as such.

Originally Posted by proof-hunter

Here is whats going on in this thread.
Mr DanishDynamite is baiting the religious
people on a fact of proving the existence of GOD.
While at the same time he can't disprove it,
nor will he give proof of the non existence of
God.

So lets pause to reflect on just what does people
like DanishDynamite really believe in.

Once upon a time in a galaxy that did not exist
there was nothingness no space, no time
no matter, and not even a sound.

then for no good reason there appeared a goo
or a cloud of crap, that again for no good
reason it just exploded into what we now call
the universe.

Now mind you at this time there is just matter
strung all over the place, and there was no
consciousness to be seen anywhere.

Yet one day a few molecules got bored and said
lets stick together(no pun intended) and create
some code, after all, we have a lot of time on
our hands anyways.

first they stuck together to make a simple cell
now mind you, a simple cell maybe simple
compared to other more complex cells but
the simple cell has ALL scientist baffled as
to just how complex they are, and they did
this without thought.

now stop and think about this for a minute.
a lot of evolutionist say "if given enough time
this action would take place"

so it's like saying if I made a large box to hold
a 1000 peace puzzle and made the box shake
that if given enough time, all the peaces would
fall together making the puzzle.
Not in your wildest dreams.

anyway on with the story. these cells then
started to get together to form even more
complex cell structures, all without a brain to
think out how to improve it's self. and some how
all these cells were communicating together
to build more and more complex creatures
all the way up to man himself.

Now mind you, that man is a machine, a bio
machine, and very complex at that, more
complex then a wheel, and if evolution is right,
then the time it took to make such a complex
machine as man then other thing less complex
should have been made already, like the wheel
or the car or there should be some planet
somewhere, where the right chemicals just got
together to make volcanoes that gush out
chocolate pudding, or one with oceans of
Pepsi cola or coke a cola, your choice.

after all those are just chemicals and they
could have just happened to have just got
mixed together. gee this is exciting of a
thought. LMAO

But the hardest thing for me to understand is
the fact that a creature, you just pick any
creature in time at any stage, one day said
screw this, I am tired of being me, I want to
evolve into something new on this day he
made his change, not only did he do this
he had to of talked some other creature into
doing the same on the same day, because they
needed both male and female, they even
thought out the details of all the reproductive
parts to work together all on the same day mind
you.

Now this story gets even deeper because this
action is supposed to have happened 1000's of
times, we just can't find all the remains to show
each step, just a few, just look at the ones
they have, look at the one they say is before
the other, there is a big difference, which means
that if there is nothing to be found in between
these, then it means one day they did a horrible
transformation like we seen on the incredible
hulk, I bet that hurt too. and they did it in pairs
male and female. well this has got me real
worried, because every time I get a cramp
I get scared that I may turn into who knows
what?

But then there is DNA in this mix too, which
I don't yet understand how it got made.

Now mind you, that I am a computer engineer
and programmer, so I understand full well about
code, and DNA is just that, a code.

So lets look at it this way, the alphabet is a
hieroglyphics and it is really meaning less unless
a consciousness knows it's meaning, those
Greeks were very smart huh?

yet the alphabet can be used for many languages
and so this can make it even more complex of
a code, because it has to be known what language
it is for, and there are rules for that too.

well just like that, DNA has meaning a code
that just happened by a lot of molecules that
some how got together and shared it's meaning
because they all seem to know the code.

so from the big bang to DNA it just happened
the most complex code man has ever seen
made and invented by no one, designed
by no thought at all, by molecules that no
nothing at all. I am going to have to swallow
a big Azz bottle of faith on this one people.

anyways, there it is in a nut shell of what people
like DanishDynamite want you to swallow.
it's the biggest faith pill ever invented and
you have to swallow it without water.



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Originally Posted by DanishDynamite

Science is the simple idea of observing what happens in our world, making a hypothesis regarding how these observations on a particular subject seems to lead to a certain rule on how those things observed seem to behave in a certain consistent way. And then testing whether the hypothesis and its predictions bear out. It is really very, very simple. And yet very, very good at determining how the world world works. As shown by the light you switch on, the computer you use, the drugs you are prescribed, etc, etc.

However, all scientific results are always philosophically and scientifically "tentative" as even vast amounts of evidence that A is true can never prove that A will always be true. We don't have the source code of the Universe after all.

So, although exploration of how our world works, also called science, can never say anything about how our world works with iron-clad certainty, the microwave ovens and lasers still continue to function. And things for which there is no evidence continue not to work and continue to be things for which there is no evidence.

Originally Posted by BigRed

And science has also been horribly incorrect many, many times even with a scientific consensus. Science isn't the be all, end all.

Originally Posted by BigRed

And science has also been horribly incorrect many, many times even with a scientific consensus. Science isn't the be all, end all.

Originally Posted by Andaras

People don't seem to understand that atheism has no doctrines, it is simply a rejection of God, which given science and the evidence existing, is a very logical point of view.