Janglo you wrote:-
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Agreed. The difference between us I suppose is that I believe that Islam, being written by an extremely violent man, has a lot higher propensity to create militants that other religions. Islam is going to have a very very hard time going through its reformation.
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Don’t tell Abu that Mohamed wrote his own book. Abu claims that he was illiterate.
From Lawrence of Arabia to other British spies/operatives in the Middle East we kick started Nationalism where there was only proto nationalism which has fed into a religious brotherhood the umma to produce a lot of undesirable traits.
Iran is a good example where the intentions of the west have not been fulfilled but rather the opposite has been the effect of a bullish policy.
1921, Reza Khan
from August 25 to September 17, 1941 During World War II, Britain and the USSR invaded Iran, to stop an Axis-supported coup and secure Iran's petroleum infrastructure.
16 September 1941 Allies force abdication of Reza Khan in favour of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi his son
The Shah of Iran was the first and only one of two Muslim leaders (other being Turkey) to recognize the State of Israel. The relations would deteriorate after the creation of the Islamic Republic.
1951, the Iranian parliament, under the leadership of the nationalist movement of Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh, voted unanimously to nationalize the oil industry. This shut out the immensely profitable Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), which was a pillar of Britain's economy and political clout. A month after that vote, Mossadegh was named Prime Minister of Iran.
1953 the CIA and British intelligence funded and led a coup d'etat to overthrow the democratically elected prime minister with the help of military forces loyal to the Shah through Operation Ajax
1957 SAVAK (National Organization for Information and Security, which was organized with the help of the CIA.).This infamous agency operated its own secret prison, used torture extensively, assassinated dissidents, and kept the CIA informed.
January 21, 1965. Prime Minister Hassan Ali Mansur's assassinated, Nassiri (SAVAK) brutally cracked down on various elements of Iranian society and was one of the most hated figures by the eve of the Iranian Revolution.
1975, The Shah of Iran abolished the multi-party system of government so that he could rule through a one-party state under the Rastakhiz (Resurrection) Party
09 Jan 1978 - Anti-Shah riots leave 60 dead (Iran)
10 Dec 1978 - Protests call for end to Shah and military rule
16 Jan 1979 - Shah Pahlavi flees Iran
(1979 - US State Dept includes Iraq in list of states sponsoring terrorism)
04 Nov 1979 – Iranian students/Militants storm the US embassy (termed “Den of spies”) in Tehran; 60 hostages taken
25 Apr 1980 - Operation Eagle Claw. Hostage rescue mission by US fails.
22 Sep 1980 - War breaks out between Iran and Iraq when Iraq invades Iran at Khuzestan,
21 Jan 1981 - Tehran releases US hostages
20 Dec 1983 - Donald Rumsfeld shakes hands with Saddam Hussein, sealing the mutual military interests and support.
24 March 1984; the UN released a report that Iraq had used mustard gas and tabun nerve agent against Iranian troops.
I agree that Islam could do with a reformation movement but it is not our place to organise a reformation or democracy for any other than ourselves.
http://www.we-change.org/spip.php?article337
http://www.we-change.org/spip.php?article282
http://www.we-change.org/spip.php?article19
These sites are from the Iranian women’s movement, they are trying to reform Islam or more particularly Iran.
President, His Excellency Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Presidency, Palestine Avenue, Azerbaijan Intersection, Tehran, Islamic Republic of Iran, Fax: + 98.21.649.5880, E-mail:
khatami@president.ir
Send him a email or send a fax to tell him what you think of his form of repression does for you.