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Originally Posted by Joker";p="
Lately, I've been having a lot of trouble telling the difference between our "patriots" and their "terrorists."
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How many innocent people have terrorist killed in the last 5 years?
How many innocent people have Americans killed in the last 5 years?
Does the answer to these questions strengthen our position of rightousness or weaken it? Does the answer to these questions make us safer from future attacks or more at risk?
The USA has every right to fight terrorists.. No one is saying otherwise. The question is HOW to fight terrorists. Do we find them, and put them on trial. DO we attack them with surgical percision after a clear military process. Or do we make false claims, start wars, bomb everyone killing woman and children and do it in the name of fighting terrorists?
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Why choose a 5 year period? Why not go back to the beginning of Operation Condor. The number of innocents killed by the CIA and its agents would then be very high. Nobody knows how high because the bodies were not all found, they are still called the disappeared.
Try 30,000 for Argentina, after training at Fort Benning the operatives put their training to good use?
The US and the CIA has been at it for longer than 5 years. The CIA has been dirty for decades
http://www.desaparecidos.org/arg/tort/eng.html
Operation Condor and Argentina's Dirty War
Main articles: Operation Condor and Dirty War
Pictures of disappeared during a Mother's demonstration at Plaza de Mayo.
During Argentina's "Dirty War" and operation Condor, political dissidents were forced to jump out of airplanes far out over the Atlantic Ocean, leaving no trace of their passing. Without any dead bodies, the government could deny they had been killed. People murdered in this way (and in others) are today referred to as "the disappeared" (los desaparecidos), and this is where the modern use of the term derives. An activist group called "Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo", formed by mothers of those victims of the dictatorship, were the inspiration for a song by Irish rock band U2, Mothers of the Disappeared (see also the Valech Report for Chile). Rubén Blades also composed a song called "Desaperecidos" in honor of those political dissidents. The Mexican rock group Maná covered the song in their album "Maná: Unplugged." Boris Weisfeiler is thought to have disappeared near Colonia Dignidad, a German colony founded by Nazi Paul Schäfer in Chile which was used as a detention center by the DINA, the secret police.
Between 1976 and 1983, in Argentina, it is thought that up to 30,000 dissidents (9,000 according to the official report by the CONADEP [2]), and people connected to them, were subject to forced disappearance under the military junta that was in power. From bits and pieces of information collected from military officers involved in the so-called "Dirty War", many victims were sedated and dumped from airplanes into the Río de la Plata (today these are called vuelos de la muerte, death flights). Other people were held in torture and detention centres; the most notorious one was the Navy's Mechanics Training School (ESMA) in the Núñez district of Buenos Aires.
Many women gave birth in captivity, and their children were given illegally in adoption to families of military or police personnel, or their friends, while their mothers were killed soon after. The task of locating these children and restoring their lost identity has been going on ever since the restoration of democracy in 1983, and has been key in unveiling the atrocities committed by some people otherwise protected by the laws that mandated an end to the trials of former military government officials, or by the pardon granted by President Carlos Menem in 1999, since appropriating children from their mothers is a crime that lies outside the scope of military procedures, and thus also outside any kind of amnesty law or pardon that implies orders in a military context.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_disappearance
But in five years the US is already up to 2000
The Disappeared
Since 11 September last year, up to 2,000 people in the United States have been detained without trial, or charge, or even legal rights. The fate of most is unknown. Andrew Gumbel investigates a scandal that shames the land of the free
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0226-08.htm
It was never clear exactly how many men, women and children were killed when Haitian troops and paramilitaries stormed through the seaside town of Raboteau in April 1994. Some of the bodies were buried in shallow graves where they were gnawed by animals, while others were flung into the ocean. At least two dozen people, and perhaps as many as 100, died.
Next week, nearly 13 years after the incident, a court in Miami will hear a case for damages against a former Haitian army officer convicted in relation to the killings. Col Carl Dorélien must be ruing his luck: had he not won millions of dollars on the Florida lottery after he fled from Haiti, it is unlikely lawyers would now be on his trail.
No one alleges that Col Dorélien was personally involved in the killings, carried out when the Caribbean nation was ruled by a military junta which had, with the assistance of the CIA, ousted the elected president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. But Col Dorélien was a member of the army's high command, and was responsible for discipline and military justice.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle2278036.ece
All the little CIA backed regimes, why not include all of them, tell me when the “Terrorist” totals get past that and I dig up a few more examples for you.
And you thought the terrorist had dirty hands?