Legal Rights for some unions - Page 2

Makedde · #11 (**permalink**) 04-18-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffLV

I'm still waiting for someone who does not support gay union/marriage to tell my why they think the rights for legal unions for straight couples should exist?

I'll wait with you, if I may. I'd like to hear an answer on this one, too. Although, it's likely you'll get a few people saying 'Because they're straight', or 'Being gay is a sin' and more blah blah like that.

JeffLV · #12 (**permalink**) 04-18-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hornet

Are you fishing for a answer specific answer?

I think we feel like we still need marriage because we are still trying to hold on to the family as the central building block of humanity. It would radically redefine family ties to delegalize marriage.

Also, I think it is really endearing to start a thread just to attract ideologues. It's funny that none have jumped on this thread yet... Where are Publius/Billybob when we need them? When they come we can snipe them together,

This is the sort of answer I'm fishing for. If the purpose of marriage is family, then no rights should be given to any union until a family actually exists.... namely, not until a child is conceived. Further, the use of condoms and birth control should be considered fraud against the government that gave them rights for the purpose of establishing family. Any union that does not produce children is violating this purpose and should not be recognized as a marriage. Only then is this argument for marriage consistent. Otherwise it is a double standard.

Hornet · #13 (**permalink**) 04-18-2008, 10:31 PM

Whaowhaohwhaoh, just to clarify the standpoint that I am coming from... I am not proclaiming anything as good or bad or giving my beliefs, I am just saying why I think marriage is so ingrained in our cultural schema.

JeffLV · #14 (**permalink**) 04-18-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hornet

Whaowhaohwhaoh, just to clarify the standpoint that I am coming from... I am not proclaiming anything as good or bad or giving my beliefs, I am just saying why I think marriage is so ingrained in our cultural schema.

Lol, I know what you were doing. I was exposing what I am doing. I'm exposing the arguments others give for why legal unions between a man and a woman exist while gay unions should not as what they are... self serving, hypocritical double standards.

JeffLV · #15 (**permalink**) 04-18-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

I'll wait with you, if I may. I'd like to hear an answer on this one, too. Although, it's likely you'll get a few people saying 'Because they're straight', or 'Being gay is a sin' and more blah blah like that.

That's only half of the argument. The other half is why straight couples should have legally recognized unions and rights. I don't have to argue that homosexuality is not a sin or that they are actually straight (lol) to show the reasonings for why straight couples get legally recognized rights as a double standard.

Makedde · #16 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffLV

That's only half of the argument. The other half is why straight couples should have legally recognized unions and rights. I don't have to argue that homosexuality is not a sin or that they are actually straight (lol) to show the reasonings for why straight couples get legally recognized rights as a double standard.

I think that's a tough question you've posed, there, and I hope you get some intelligent answers.

Colombine · #17 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

I think that's a tough question you've posed, there, and I hope you get some intelligent answers.

You'll wait a very long time.

JeffLV · #18 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Colombine

You'll wait a very long time.

Lol, that's fine. If this is the case, then I will simply conclude that legal unions only for straight couples is a baseless doublestandard.

Makedde · #19 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Colombine

You'll wait a very long time.

I'm in agreement with you there, and I agree with the above post from Jeff.

BigRed · #20 (**permalink**) 04-27-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffLV

The question of why gay couples or otherwise should have their union recognized with the rights of marriage seems to hinge on why the rights for marriage exist in the first place. So I figured this is a good starting point.

Why are unions between a man and woman allowed to legally marry, and why are they given special legal rights and recognition? How do they justify not allowing polygamists and incestial couples to marry? The question of legal rights comes down to the concept of "similarly situated" persons. Namely, if you give a right or privilege to one group, you must give it to all similarly situated people.

If marriage is just a religious union, or if it is just a definition of a union between a man and a woman, why does this therefore make it okay to establish legal rights for these unions over any other?

It isn't right. It's wrong. Everyone should equally be allowed to engage in a legal contract that labels them a "married couple" and all the benefits that go with that.

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