I'm tired of going over the same s**t with different people over and over so I thought I just lay out my reasons in here.

No, my argument actually is that Obama is not constrained by the "this is how it's always been done" mentality, he can surround himself with people who have lots of experience, that's what a good leader does. Find people who have got a considerable amount of experience in finance, defense, healthcare, law, infrastructure, etc. You expect him or any other candidate to know everything about everything? A good leader ("a guiding or directing head,") Is just someone who takes in as many points of view as possible then decides which course of action to take, eg. whether to go to war in Iraq. Unlike Bush, a good leader doesn't surround himself with "yes men" as that means you don't get different perspectives of a situation and therefor can't guarantee you're making the best decision.

This and the flag pin etc. demonstrates the level of desperation among some people, and as I said I'll guarantee all politicians have some dubious contacts. Do I need to show you Rummy shaking Saddams hand? Reagan supplying weapons to Iran?

I neither think Obama is perfect, nor expect him or any of the candidates to be such. He represents a potential change of the usual BS in government, maybe he wont live up to it and be like all the rest, but that's a risk I'm prepared to take. I don't live my life looking to be "satisfied" I always look to improve things both in my personal and professional life and also in my countries politics. And I'm pretty successful because of it.

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"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

"Nothing doth more hurt in a state than that cunning men pass for wise." - Sir Francis Bacon

Ok a couple things on your specific reasons. First of all you are right that people surround themselves with good advisers.

However part of a presidents job is to actually go there and talk one on one about policy with foreign leaders. Sometimes a president is also called upon to make a snap decision(hence, I'm afraid, Hillarys 3am ad).

As for "change" you don't look as smart as you'd like just saying that. It makes you look like you've been suckered. Obama has a specific list of changes he wants to make in the government and he talks about some other things (apperantly the sources of his funding).

You should look to those things and see if you like what he's offering.

http://www.barackobama.com

It's all there if you take the time to read it, and you seem to be assuming that because I like him, I agree with everything he thinks. I don't.

The most important thing to me is international relations, it's pretty much the only reason I'll vote for him over McCain, who I like considerably. This subject will effect everything else.

Obama is prepared to talk to rouge nations, it might not achieve anything, but not talking definitely wont achieve anything. (see: North Korea (now have nukes), Iran (almost certainly trying to get them) and Cuba(Cubans living in the same conditions for the last half a century))

We talked to the Russians during the cold war, that turned out OK, sort of, so far lol

This is the change I'm looking for, simple as that.

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Manu Chao - Bongo Bong

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

"Nothing doth more hurt in a state than that cunning men pass for wise." - Sir Francis Bacon

If Obama becomes the Dem candidate it will be the largest age difference between two presidential candidates, ever. I am sure that McCain will portray himself the "experienced" elder statesman.

I question the value of experience in his case! He has chosen some awful advisers, so far. Who is advising him on the economy? The gas tax holiday is a really terrible idea. Make Bush's tax cuts permanent? Again, a foolish idea. Who is advising him on health care policy? He will turn his back on that problem. His foreign policy advisers are hawkish neocons. McCain strikes me as someone who has not kept up with the state of things. It is an exhausting job for an old guy.

I know it's there. That's why I said you should go there (Of course "it" is justa bunch of promises he doesn't have a good plan to finance) But the point was to get you to say what follows


Well I'll grant that Obama does have different views on some of those.

He seems to want to losen restrictions on Cuba. Nice for the people living there. Also for building back a powerful communist country.

It sounds like he'll wind up doing a lot of talking with North Korea, probably giving them money. McCain might be more likely to turn the screws on the country.

And it sounds like Obama would probably see Iran get nukes and probably Iraq, since I believe his actual plan is to pass Iraq over as we pull out. (which, at least, is probably better than chaos, maybe).

Of course Israel probably likes that whole not being dead and radioactive thing. So there is a chance they'd act unilaterally whoever becomes president.

lol

Hey, we can be cynical. I don't believe anything any politician says until they do it, which usually they don't. What can you do.

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Manu Chao - Bongo Bong

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

"Nothing doth more hurt in a state than that cunning men pass for wise." - Sir Francis Bacon