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View Poll Results: war with Iran? / near or not?
I'm against it / it'll happen soon. 12 20.34%
I'm against it / it won't happen soon. 26 44.07%
I'm in favor of it / it'll happen soon. 10 16.95%
I'm in favor of it / it won't happen soon. 11 18.64%
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Old 05-06-2008, 10:20 PM
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America is the only country that calls itself the greatest - polls have shown that other countries do not consider America to be the greatest. The US will always consider themselves the greatest - they couldn't stand being second greatest, could they?


In all fairness nobody living in another nation is going to call another nation the greatest lol.

Nobody in Europe is calling Australia the greatest country. Nobody in Asia is calling Ireland the greatest country. Clearly 99% of people are going to vote for themselves.

I like you, but your bashing on America is slightly disturbing. Especially when you consider that our two nations are great allies of each other.

As far as my opinion goes.....I think its pretty obvious that Economically and Militarily we are the greatest nation in the history of the world. Right now our economy isn't very good, but still it takes essentially ALL of Europe working together to compete with us.

Militarily its not even close....Yeah Iraq has been a struggle but if we WANTED to that conflict would be over in the amount of time it took a nuclear warhead to launch and then impact.


Now do I think those things are the sole things that make a nation great?? No I dont. I also think your policies, way of life, the way you treat others, and other factors need to be factored in here.

We are awful when it comes to education, ive seen polls where we are very low in "happiness" among the citizens here. Our health care system is ranked #37 in the world. We rank very low in Science and Math, and yet are one of the more religious nations out there....To me that shows that we ignore things that are actually important and ignore things that will actually help us. I also despise the amount of "morals" that people here try to shove down our throats because it invades on ones freedom.

Ive been all over the globe...As for countries I have "lived" in...Well of course the United States. I also lived in Ireland for awhile. While in the Marine Corps I spent some time in Japan, Iraq and Afghanistan for extended periods of time and so ill include those as well.

Ive visited all over Europe, Canada, and Mexico.

So with that said, my own PERSONAL opinion is that the U.S. is one of the greatest places to live in the world. Ive heard great things about Australia however I haven't been there yet so I wouldnt know. Canada, France, Ireland, and England are awesome places as well and I wouldnt mind living in any of those nations at all.

There are things about the U.S that I think are MUCH better than these other places, however in many aspects some of these other nations are FAR ahead of the U.S. as well.

Its just a matter of what is important to YOU as a human being.

Makedde I DO think you are being unfair towards Americans though. Yeah a lot of people talk about how great we are. But so does everyone else. People are patriotic in most parts of the world. I bet if you were asked you would claim your country as the greatest in the world. Most people in France would claim that. Most in England would claim that.

I agree that Americans can be WAYYYYY too overly patriotic. However people all around the world say the same things. Americans also take alot of crap from people in other nations as well, most of it is unfair. So naturally we are going to build ourselves up when others are always trying to put us down.

Patriotism is a good thing. I mean heck I know im cheering for the USA come the olympics. However you also should have respect for other nations and even learn from them at times. That is where I feel we are lacking a great deal...

Other nations need to put aside their unfair resentment and quite frankly their jealousy though.
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I like you, but your bashing on America is slightly disturbing. Especially when you consider that our two nations are great allies of each other.

So with that said, my own PERSONAL opinion is that the U.S. is one of the greatest places to live in the world.

Makedde I DO think you are being unfair towards Americans though. Yeah a lot of people talk about how great we are. But so does everyone else. People are patriotic in most parts of the world. I bet if you were asked you would claim your country as the greatest in the world. Most people in France would claim that. Most in England would claim that.

I agree that Americans can be WAYYYYY too overly patriotic. However people all around the world say the same things. Americans also take alot of crap from people in other nations as well, most of it is unfair. So naturally we are going to build ourselves up when others are always trying to put us down.

Patriotism is a good thing. I mean heck I know im cheering for the USA come the olympics. However you also should have respect for other nations and even learn from them at times. That is where I feel we are lacking a great deal...

Other nations need to put aside their unfair resentment and quite frankly their jealousy though.
I do know I can appear very judgemental at times, I will not deny that, and I certainly do not mean to cause offence. Just some things - not necessarily about the country itself, just it's people - bother me, I mean, really (*)(*)(*)(*) me up the wall.

Patriotism is a good thing, I agree, but I think the US takes it way too far. The whole 'hand over heart' when the anthem is played is, to me and many others, going ridiculously overboard. Especially when you see people crying when their anthem is played.

Having said that, yes, the US and Australia are allies, and will be for years to come. I do, however, worry that if Australia decides not to follow America into war (such as Iran which is sure to happen sooner or later) we will be critisized for our decision, and may perhaps lose the friendship we share.
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I do know I can appear very judgemental at times, I will not deny that, and I certainly do not mean to cause offence. Just some things - not necessarily about the country itself, just it's people - bother me, I mean, really (*)(*)(*)(*) me up the wall.

Patriotism is a good thing, I agree, but I think the US takes it way too far. The whole 'hand over heart' when the anthem is played is, to me and many others, going ridiculously overboard. Especially when you see people crying when their anthem is played.

Having said that, yes, the US and Australia are allies, and will be for years to come. I do, however, worry that if Australia decides not to follow America into war (such as Iran which is sure to happen sooner or later) we will be critisized for our decision, and may perhaps lose the friendship we share.

Certainly you would be criticized.....People criticize others they dont agree with. However we are still friends with Canada, and they have been critical of alot of the things we have done.

I agree that a lot of Americans go WAYYYY overboard when it comes to patriotism. I consider myself patriotic but I dont chant "USA USA" at every sporting event I go to lol. And I understand my country has some flaws.

As for people crying during the national anthem....Watch the olympics this year, people from all nations will cry when getting their medals and hearing their anthem played.

Also....I may be biased here, but honestly I think we have an AWESOME national anthem and I think it really is a beautiful song when it is sung well. But no I have never cried when I heard it. After 9/11 I did come close though.
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Certainly you would be criticized.....People criticize others they dont agree with. However we are still friends with Canada, and they have been critical of alot of the things we have done.

I agree that a lot of Americans go WAYYYY overboard when it comes to patriotism. I consider myself patriotic but I dont chant "USA USA" at every sporting event I go to lol. And I understand my country has some flaws.

As for people crying during the national anthem....Watch the olympics this year, people from all nations will cry when getting their medals and hearing their anthem played.

Also....I may be biased here, but honestly I think we have an AWESOME national anthem and I think it really is a beautiful song when it is sung well. But no I have never cried when I heard it. After 9/11 I did come close though.
I think your national anthem is lovely - but only the music. I really don't like to hear people sing it. I honestly don't like our national anthem, it's boring and needs to be 'spiced' up, so to speak.
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Arguing which side is on the side of justice is a waste of time because it is totally apparent that the iranian regime is evil to the core for anyone with any sense. However, for the point at hand, it is completely irrelevant. iran continues to commit acts of war against us and the fact is its going to cost them control of their country soon. You can make ridiculous assertions that iran is justified in its terrorism if you like but they are going to get their butts kicked regardless, and soon.
So, it doesnt matter which side is just!! Oh, that is sooo priceless. It would be worthy of Quote of the Year if it wasnt such a tragic reflection of the cause of violence in this world. So check it out folks:

1) - Justice doesnt matter - its all about Butt kicking
2) You dont need to prove acts of war, you just need to SAY that they are there. What the other party offers in terms of historical facts are mere "ridiculous assertions". You dont have to prove that. Just saying it is enough for right wing 'Murkins.
3) When you commit heinous deeds against other people it is irrelevant, on the contrary, they are clearly evil if they respond against you. WOW - what a conservative ego!!
4) When someone shows you why there can be fury against 'Murka, you can just ignore it. Why? Because you simply claim that they are evil to the core - say it, not show it.

You couldn't have made some of the basic traits of the American right clearer. No wonder their threat to world safety is spiralling seemingly out of control with folk like you egging this maniacal and irresponsible attitude on. It is all about ego and arrogance. Don't you realise how this makes you look in the eyes of the rest of the world?

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I am going to love it when all the countires have finally had enough of the US and band together and kick your butt. That day will come, mark my words
There is a typical reaction. Well done!! I bet that at the start of this decade he was a firm friend of yours. He didnt change. You did.
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LOL. That does appear to be your position. Mine is quite clear. The USA is on the side of justice and freedom and I consider those who claim nonsense to the contrary to be fools or liars.
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LOL. That does appear to be your position. Mine is quite clear. The USA is on the side of justice and freedom and I consider those who claim nonsense to the contrary to be fools or liars.


Most of the time we are I agree....

I think as a nation we DO have some blood on our hands, and some of our current foreign policy issues reflect that. However as a whole I believe we are a good and righteous nation.

btw...EVERY nation has some blood on their hands in some way, shape, or form.
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Absolutely. You can't fight for justice and freedom without getting some blood on your hands. You can't fight for anything, good or evil, without some blood on your hands. Heck, even the "neutral" countries the liberals love to applaud for staying out of fights had blood on their hands in WWII as they served as trading partners and provided other resources to the Nazis...just an example...

This basic fact does not change the fundamental truth that the USA is fighting for good and the muslims are fighting for evil. Pointing to collateral damage does not change this fact, does not change what needs to be done for victory, and does not compare to the evil muslims intentionally targeting civilians while they pretend to be civilians, all to spread their oppressive, evil, totalitarian ideology of barbarity and ignorance.
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