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Old 04-20-2008, 07:09 AM
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Default Iraq: A new way Forward

Hi guys,

I cam across this report on Iraq which has been produced by a political party based on the Islamic faith.

It talks about the future for Iraq and its solutions.

http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/resource...orward_ia.html

So what do u guys think?
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Default LOL Hizb ut-Tahrir! Osama Philosophy.

I think you're a "guy" from Finsbury Park Mosque or a perverse leftist- trying to pass Islamo-Fascist crap off on us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir
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It does read a bit more like a list of demands. While the palestinian issue would be around anyway. We wouldn't have gotten involved with Iraq in the first place if they hadn't decided to invade Kuwait, we wouldn't have a problem with Iran getting the bomb if you were allies instead of a bunch of people planning to wipe Israel off of the map and who knows what else, and we wouldn't back the Saudi's and some of the other undesireables in the region if we didn't need the allies to deal with the rest of the area.

We'll work with people if they're "Our bastards", but we don't prefir to do so.

And for goodness sakes we all would like to get out of Iraq (except for maybe one military base). You'd think it wouldn't be hard to get people to roll around happily in piles of oil money.
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We wouldn't have gotten involved with Iraq in the first place if they hadn't decided to invade Kuwait
Not true. You gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait, and attacked him when he did. The Bush family deceived the man to find an excuse for war. One and a half decade later - you hanged him. That is why you can't be trusted.

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U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. (pause) As you know, I lived here for years and admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. We know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. (pause) We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threat s against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship - not confrontation - regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait's borders?

Saddam Hussein - As you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settlement on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a meeting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only this one more brief chance. (pause) When we (the Iraqis) meet (with the Kuwaitis) and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death.

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - What solutions would be acceptable?

Saddam Hussein - If we could keep the whole of the Shatt al Arab - our strategic goal in our war with Iran - we will make concessions (to the Kuwaitis). But, if we are forced to choose between keeping half of the Shatt and the whole of Iraq (i.e., in Saddam s view, including Kuwait ) then we will give up all of the Shatt to defend our claims on Kuwait to keep the whole of Iraq in the shape we wish it to be. (pause) What is the United States' opinion on this?

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America. (Saddam smiles)
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