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Old 04-24-2008, 05:24 PM
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Default Barack Obama Continued Taking Oil Money, Even With Ad Saying He Didn't

Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,2328541.story
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Sen. Barack Obama continued accepting donations from oil company executives and employees last month even as he aired ads in which he stated he took no oil company money, his campaign finance reports show.

Obama has taken at least $263,000 from oil company executives, family members and employees since entering the presidential race last year, including $46,000 last month. At least $140,000 has come in chunks of between $1,000 and $2,300, the maximum permitted under federal law.

Texas oil executive Robert L. Cavnar of Milagro Exploration and his wife, Gracie, have helped the Illinois Democrat raise at least another $50,000 by helping host a fundraiser earlier in the campaign.

Other oil industry donors have included Sinclair Oil President Ross Matthews of Texas and John B. Hess, chairman of Hess Corp., a New York-based oil producer and retailer with operations worldwide. Hess, who has given to other presidential candidates, including Sen. John McCain, gave $2,300 to Obama last year, as did his wife, Susan. Hess gave $14,000 to Obama's Senate run in 2003. The oil executives did not return phone calls.
The fact that the LA Times reported this is incredible.

I know it's funny to tease Barack for his BS, but the source of this report is the real news here, peeps. Can anyone here tell me what Barack Obama is without a friendly press surrounding him? (hint: watch the Pennsylvania debate).

And, he shouldn't be lying as well.
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Is this an implication that Obama could be just like every other politician?


I never would have guessed.
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Obama needs to drop out for...

Obama needs to drop out to save...

you think of the rest

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Is this an implication that Obama could be just like every other politician?


I never would have guessed.
Bingo. I'm not sure why this is even news.

I've made a lot of money on oil as well; it's not really a big deal.
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Sure it is, if you recognise the large problem that moneyed access causes, regarding enviromental standards and an effective response to climate change. Especially as Obama's main point is hes going to stop this influence over his campaign and his presidency.

Seems a telling point, but I'm aware that one article isn't going to cinch it, and theres a few tricks with numbers that might be being deployed here. Good angle though- not the 'suppposed liberal source must be telling the truth when they agree with me' childish one, but the story itself.

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Sure it is, if you recognise the large problem that moneyed access causes, regarding enviromental standards and an effective response to climate change. Especially as Obama's main point is hes going to stop this influence over his campaign and his presidency.

Seems a telling point, but I'm aware that one article isn't going to cinch it, and theres a few tricks with numbers that might be being deployed here. Good angle though- not the 'suppposed liberal source must be telling the truth when they agree with me' childish one, but the story itself.
People are going to buy and sell oil as long as it's cheaper than other energy sources. Whether or not politicians accept campaign money from them will not change this. So if you take a step back and look at the bigger picture, this is a non-issue.

But I guess when you're desperately looking for reason to discredit the candidate with the best leadership skills (why would wouldn't want the man with the best abilities in office, instead of a grandpa in a questionable mental state, beats me) you've got to try anything you can.

The massive effort to hate on Obama only shows how badly people fear the idea of not having a candidate that has the same heritage as those since our nation's beginning. Otherwise, people would want the stronger leader and speaker as our head and chief.

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Yeah but they've slowed trasferal to renewables, carbon trading that would have made that commercially viable, vechile consumption standards, better standards on coal plants, money for technology, have done so often through unfair influence over public debate, ala think tanks, and have weilded distrubing influence over foreign policy, notably Iraq. So stepping back makes corruption a very big issue- like I said this is hardly (*)(*)(*)(*)ing of Obama at this point.

They're certainly afraid of him, I think its more to do with his policies than his heritage.
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Yeah but they've slowed trasferal to renewables, carbon trading that would have made that commercially viable, vechile consumption standards, better standards on coal plants, money for technology, have done so often through unfair influence over public debate, ala think tanks, and have weilded distrubing influence over foreign policy, notably Iraq. So stepping back makes corruption a very big issue- like I said this is hardly (*)(*)(*)(*)ing of Obama at this point.
Well, since you're anti-oil-industry. I assume you didn't vote for Bush either time.

Still, since all industry is tied to oil, you could claim that just about anybody is receiving money from oil, directly or indirectly.

And I don't really see why anybody would "fear" Obama's policies. Most of his ideas would only make America a better place, and he's not a war monger, which will make us safer over the long run.

I think most of this Obama hate (some people have a genuine concerns, but most don't) is directly related to him not being a typical white Christian and not having a last name like "McCain". The GOP bases most of it's platform around fear of people and things that are different from them, so naturally, Obama is going to receive a lot of hate.

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Could have sworn I changed that word to condemned...its funny really, they must have the same derivation, yet demned won't be censored...automatically anyway /cower.

Yeah better note the Australian flag in the top right of this post. I'd be interested to see a better comparsion of the funding to Obama is less, I feel theres a far better argument in there. I wish they'd break down the numbers correctly.
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Donors who spoke with The Times said their contributions were not directed by their employers.
its illegal for oil companies to give money to federal candidates. the donors were individuals not acting at the behest of their employers. obamas said he doesnt take money from lobbyists or pacs. as far as i know, he has not. this is old spin from last month.
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