Sure, time and time and time again whites continue to be luckier than blacks.

Got it!

Until people realize that it is effort that makes you successful there will always be a justification for ones own failure.

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ABoyNamedSue - Speaking of Crestwoods posts - And then there'll be some link to some page, written in hindu or something, talking about sherpas and A&W root beer, and how George Bush is to blame for some Jewish neo-nazi death camp, run by Elvis Presley, on the far side of the moon that's been busted for killing kittens or something

Until people realize that the a proper environment is an important element that makes you successful, there will always be justification for ones own failure.

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Until people realize that it is possible to adapt to even a suboptimal environment, there will always be people blaming whatever circumstances they want.

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Until people realize that "possible" is a relative term, "suboptimal" is in often an understatement, and knowing how to gather wealth in any given economy and situaton is only one form of the ability to "adapt" and one that only serves a particular type of person, there will always be the haves rationalizing the position of the have nots.

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Until the have nots stop complaining and blaming their situation on things other than their own choices, the haves will continue to rationalize their position based on the fact that the haves really have risen above many of the same obstacles that the have nots tend to claim are based on race or sex. If the have nots are happy with their situation, there is no issue. If the have nots are unhappy with their situation, there are plenty of things that they can do to change their situation that society actually encourages.

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Why don't you tell that to Eastern Europe...

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- Nas

Not all societies do, some don't know how, and some have to worry too much about their kids, their family, and their health to take the risks needed to rise above.

Speaking from second hand experience, a friend of mine, black woman so I'm still kinda on the same topic, wants to quit her minimum wage job to complete her massage therapy training and find a lucrative job as a massage therapist. She's been trying to do this because she has a kid, a husband and herself to think of. She will lose her medical coverage, and her son suffers medical problems so she can't lose her insurance by quitting her job... pre-existing conditions you know.

Now you could say, well if she just worked hard enough she could do it. Perhaps, but come on... we can do better than this. We don't have to make people climb mt everest to get ahead. A little support for her and her son and she would be well on her way to a job where she could really afford to take care of her family instead of scraping by trying to take care of the medical bills for her son. Would you say this is one of your examples of society "encouraging" her? Or is this society not giving a crap about her and her family. the sad thing is it goes both ways... if she did have a better job, she would be paying more in tax and contributing more to society. Her husband could afford to quit his job and look for another one and contribte more himself. And of course their son would have a better shot than both of them. Instead, in the name of "if you really wanted to, with a bit of effort you could", both her family and society itself are worse off because of this particular situation.

I was fortunate to come from a well off family and have had all the luxuries of life I could have ever wanted... but getting to know some of my old friends, I have an idea how it can be on the other side of the block. There are certainly people who take advanage of the system, and we should take action to correct this... but sometimes society is better off working togather.

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True knowledge exists in being aware of what you don't know.

So as long as you can moan and complain about imperfections in the place you grew up you can justify your failures?

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ABoyNamedSue - Speaking of Crestwoods posts - And then there'll be some link to some page, written in hindu or something, talking about sherpas and A&W root beer, and how George Bush is to blame for some Jewish neo-nazi death camp, run by Elvis Presley, on the far side of the moon that's been busted for killing kittens or something

So - I grew up in a crappy area, my dad left before I was born, drug dealers were on the street corners and my mom had 6 kids and lived on welfare

justifies - I knocked up a woman and left, didn't finish high school, and now live on welfare?

I see what you mean, it feels good.

So - My dad worked 3 jobs to support my mom and 4 kids, didn't spend any time with the kids because he was always working. Therefore I lacked a father figure.

justifies - leaving my wife and 2 boys so that I won't have to work 2 jobs.

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ABoyNamedSue - Speaking of Crestwoods posts - And then there'll be some link to some page, written in hindu or something, talking about sherpas and A&W root beer, and how George Bush is to blame for some Jewish neo-nazi death camp, run by Elvis Presley, on the far side of the moon that's been busted for killing kittens or something