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Old 05-17-2008, 06:13 AM
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Not really.

I like limited government as much government can be limited.

But I'm not entirely opposed to anarchy and I don't condemn it quickly like so many people do. Much like how atheism is on the fringe of society.
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thank you. clear as mud................
Then you aren't understanding...........
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Old 05-17-2008, 06:25 AM
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Then you aren't understanding...........
no !!!! I don't have a clue as to where you stand. but then I don't believe in any form of anarchy.
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no !!!! I don't have a clue as to where you stand. but then I don't believe in any form of anarchy.
I never said I did either. I was challenging everyone else on it that were snubbing their noses at it.
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And I addressed that.
No you did not.
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No you did not.
Yes I did.

Posts #233 and #238. I directly responded to you twice. Not to mention the discussion of surrender was talked about for pages and pages before you entered the discussion.
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Yes I did.

Posts #233 and #238. I directly responded to you twice. Not to mention the discussion of surrender was talked about for pages and pages before you entered the discussion.
And neither of those posts addressed what I have been saying, and what has been posted.


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We already moved past that situation though.

But yes, they were not willing at the time to give up their Emperor.
At the time before the bomb, it was not just keeping the Emperor that they wanted. As has already been shown. You have not disputed this.

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And they ended up surrendering unconditionally and kept the Emperor (albeit without power) and immune from war crimes.

Why not let them do that and have PEACE? Instead of unnecessarily dropping two bombs?
Because they were not willing to surrender unconditionally until after we dropped the bombs.

Before the bombs were dropped they wanted him to have power. They spoke to the Russians about maybe leaving him as a puppet figure. But that is about it.

You have not addressed their requirement at disbanding their own military, and what they said about punishing their own war criminals.

You can obviously see why we would not accept that.
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But yes, they were not willing at the time to give up their Emperor.
The nukes changed that. That was our reason for nuking them. We wanted the hostile government permanently removed.


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I lean close to Anarchism. Yes. Government has been nothing but corrupt, bad, evil and murderous for centuries.
The absence of government would be worse. You would have the exact same problems, just on a local or personal scale.

Given those choices, a larger government is more stable. I am more willing to trust 100 people with power over me than 1 person with power over me.



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And they ended up surrendering unconditionally and kept the Emperor (albeit without power) and immune from war crimes. Why not let them do that and have PEACE? Instead of unnecessarily dropping two bombs?
Because we wanted it on our terms. Not their's.

I do not believe they would have willingly relinquished imperial control of the government. Your own evidence does not suggest that they were willing to do that either.



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Police are just private based like bodyguards essentially. Nobody can prove that a governmentless society would result in chaos and be destroyed immediately. How do you know that it isn't better than what we have now?
Because we have seen examples of it in the past.

Your way basically means a warlord-type society. How do you determine who those bodyguards will serve? You cant honestly believe that such a society would be more just than what we have now.



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But I don't think anarchy is as bad as people think.
Mostly because you've never been forced to live under it.



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Why do you think anarchy is just chaos?
Um...because thats what the dictionary says it means?



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an·ar·chy Audio Help /ˈænərki/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[an-er-kee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a state of society without government or law.
2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy.
3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.
4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchy
Do you really trust that people will simply cooperate with each other peacefully in such an environment? You honestly believe that warlords wont rise up out of such chaos?



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It isn't the Dark Ages philosophy.
How is it different?



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Well the definition is wrong.
Post the source for your definition.



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Anarchism has nothing to do with lawlessness or no protection from criminals.
The absence of government control = lawlessness. Sorry. If you have laws, by definition, you have a government.



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Why must the US be free from scorn though?
Because were were not waging a wart of conquest.
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