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Old 05-07-2008, 03:35 PM
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Let us take a look at just the hardware first.

Israel

Main battle tanks. 4,000 (the Merkava, arguably one of the toughest tanks on the planet)
APC 10,000
Arty 2,000
Combat type aircraft 400 (including F15s F16s and Apaches)
helos 100

Now remember that Israel has essentially been at war for the better part of a century. Battle hardened troops, and all that metal make for a bad day.

Now. Know that Iran has not had a real conflict since the Iran Iraq war, has a military budget of about 6 billion dollars (the smallest of any middle eastern country), and has no real military leadership.

Correction. Iran does have them outnumbered, but not out teched.

Perham I enjoy talking to ya brother. But the only way Iran is going to be a threat is through unconventional warfare, or a nuclear attack. Maybe a war of attrition, but both sides would have a hard time maintaining.

One of the reasons (speculated reasons) your boys are helping the bad guys in Iraq is to buy Iran enough time to go nuclear before they are stopped.

Disclaimer, all the information in this post was taken from open source on the internet and books.
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:58 AM
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Inside Iran planes would have to worry about ground based systems. I don't know how we'd fair. Though my inclenation is the Raptor would prove itself.
If the U.S. actually uses the F-22 it should preform quite well. However, since it is not a carrier based plane, there are very few of them, they are very expensive, and the ones that have been produced are now stationed in the continental U.S., they probably will not be put to use. The U.S. would not think in necessary or practical to send them into action.
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Israel would waist Iran in a land or air fight but Iran's missiles are the problem.

Iran has a sick amount of medium range ballistic missiles... while they may not be the most accurate things on the planet they could at least hit Israel and they can tipped with chemical/biological war heads.

We all know there are counter measures for missiles and many would be shot down but some would get through... which is why Iran wants the nuke... which is also why Israel will never let Iran get that nuke.

The US would undoubtedly be dragged into the fight... which is why the diplomatic options are so important right now...

If a war with Iran did break out Iran would do heavy damage to Israel, the middle ease could potentially rise up against Israel, the US would suffer casualties and spend an insane amount of money, and finally Iran would be decimated.

The only thing worse then going to war with Iran is Iran getting a Nuke.

The diplomatic options are important but if it comes down to it... we gotta do what we gotta do... Same with Israel. Right now though, we have to try as hard as we can to make the diplomatic options work.
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If the U.S. actually uses the F-22 it should preform quite well. However, since it is not a carrier based plane, there are very few of them, they are very expensive, and the ones that have been produced are now stationed in the continental U.S., they probably will not be put to use. The U.S. would not think in necessary or practical to send them into action.
They wouldn’t be needed... In a conflict, the bulk of Iran's air force would be eliminated while it was still on the ground.

Although some planes would get off the ground, it would be nice to have the F-22s participate for testing purposes.
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Test your predictions here.

I'm considering 3 seperate facets. First would be a strike by the US or Israel against the Iranian reactor and/or Centerfuges

And the last being what one would anticipate if outright conflict broke out.

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Israel alone has some Issues. I just don't think they have an aircraft up to the tasked of getting to the Iranian targets and back. Just too far. I could be wrong of course due to in air refuling. They might be able to get a strike eagle there and back.

Another Israli option would be using some of their Corvettes to slam missiles into the coastal reactor. I think if they launched a swarm of missiles enough could get though to take the thing down for at least a while.

If they want to mess with the centerfuges I think their only option is longer range missiles. I'm not so sure about how effective that would really be. The targets are underground but there is stuff around, they could mess things up.

HOwever once you start talking about those options you're starting to have to fly stuff over US/Iraqi airspace which is a seperate problem.
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A US strike would be easier of course. Plenty of long range bombers with cruise missiles, aircraft carriers to give them range, and a handful of close airbases.

I'm thinking the reactor would be screwed it's just so vulnerable.

Centerfuges are again harder. We've gotten some time playing around with the Russian radar systems Iran is using, so they probably know about how viable sending in stealth bombers is. I think that would have a lot to do with how through the damage is. Also how far away we can have our ships when we do this. And advantage of the bombers is that they can get home. But ships in the region would be vulnerable.

Still I think we'd get both.
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Next would be Irans reaction. I'm not sure if this would be different if it was just Israel or the US that did it.

THeir tech is a little behind the curve, but they'll put a lot of missiles in the air and some targets are in trouble. Aside from ships I don't know that the Iranian systems are good for specifica targets but hitting cities and the like would be in order.

If it comes to outright combat I think a lot would come down to how well older fighters can perform against newer ones. I don't just mean Mig-29 vs Raptor. Iran has a lot of old stuff running like F-5's Not sure how to call it. Though my inclenation would be that we would control airspace outside of Iran solidly. Inside Iran planes would have to worry about ground based systems. I don't know how we'd fair. Though my inclenation is the Raptor would prove itself.

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Maybe a war of attrition, but both sides would have a hard time maintaining.
Israel has been in a war of attrition pretty much since it came into existence.

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