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Old 05-06-2008, 10:58 PM
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Atheist Leftist... AKA: the dreaded Secular Progressive... The Moderate, independent.. The Centrists… The tattered remnants of Marx… OKA: The enemy of peace, prosperity and freedom on the whole and it's time we started to treat them as such.

Now this member has just declared that the legal code has no business pertaining to morality... MORALITY! ROFLMNAO...

That is the reasoning advanced by PURE EVIL friends... this person doesn't even possess the intellectual means to recognize the vacuous nature of that idiocy... yet she possesses the means to vote. Again friends, it's time we begin the discussion of stripping these people of a political voice.

Now I know that sounds harsh... But let me ask you, if you were sitting in a room with a person who was eaten up with Ebola and the only thing separating you from the slow agony of the most horrific death... was a thin wall of glass... a glass which prevented them from being able to call for help, help which can never come, because the strain is so severe that no solution is possible... would you break that glass to provide them a means to spread that evil to you and the balance of the planet?

If you would, then you're part of the problem, if you would not, then you've answered the question and need only to realize that these people are the purest essence of evil; there is no cure as the reason they are the way they are, the reason they believe what they believe is they lack the intellectual means to do anything else...

They're not with us and to tolerate them is to succumb to the inevitable effects of their cataclysmic policy...

First off im a man. My user name may sound kind of feminine but its because its based on my daughters name.

As for my views on morals....Yes im 100% correct. Im not saying we should allow people to murder, rape, steal etc etc. I NEVER said that. Heck I think if someone murders or rapes they need to be given the death penalty.

Im talking about STUPID moral issues though that have no place being in law. Telling people what sort of language is acceptable, telling people whether or not they can look at porn on their computers (unless the "models" are underage...then that IS a problem because that young girl or boy was obviously FORCED into it...that is no better than rape) telling someone what they can or cant put into their body, telling people who they can and cant marry.....

Im sorry but these are all SILLY issues being shoved down our throats by religious beliefs that cannot even be proven to begin with.

In other words....Dont impede on anyone elses free will. But dont sit and tell other people what THEY should view as being "moral" either.

And as a fellow former Marine im insulted that you would like to take away my right to vote. However apparently when someone else presents an idea that YOU dont approve of you think its necessary to take away their very freedoms.

Im going to give you respect here and not bicker with you even though you personally attacked me, even though I want to. Call it a mutual respect for our common bond. I would appreciate it if you gave me the same respect in the future.
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Dont impede on anyone elses free will.
I'm putting this part of your post FIRST...to put things into perspective.

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telling people whether or not they can look at porn on their computers (unless the "models" are underage...then that IS a problem because that young girl or boy was obviously FORCED into it...that is no better than rape)
There are no laws against this right now. Now, if you're talking about relaxing restrictions on pornography, then why shouldn't pornography be used in advertisements? Wouldn't a billboard showing two models humping be more effective in selling Enzyte, than "Smilin' Bob" and his endless double entendres? Would you appreciate driving your kid down the street, and having her subject to that billboard? Doesn't this sort of thing impede on your free will to raise your kid?

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So you don't mind crack fiends indulging in their habits, even if it means they rob people for crack money? Wouldn't banning the controlled substance make robbing people for crack money unnecessary? Doesn't this mean that free use of crack may have impeded the free will of the folks who were robbed for crack money?

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I'm sorry but these are all SILLY issues being shoved down our throats by religious beliefs that cannot even be proven to begin with.
I love the way you demand respect "because you're a marine," but then you completely disrespect folks who are religious, or have spirituality.
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So you don't mind crack fiends indulging in their habits,
That's their business.

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even if it means they rob people for crack money?
That's why we have laws against robbing.

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Wouldn't banning the controlled substance make robbing people for crack money unnecessary?
No, because we already do and people do it anyway.
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There are no laws against this right now. Now, if you're talking about relaxing restrictions on pornography, then why shouldn't pornography be used in advertisements? Wouldn't a billboard showing two models humping be more effective in selling Enzyte, than "Smilin' Bob" and his endless double entendres? Would you appreciate driving your kid down the street, and having her subject to that billboard? Doesn't this sort of thing impede on your free will to raise your kid?.
Actually people probably wouldn't use that kind of advertising. Why? Because it would lead to public outcry. That brings with it boycotts and the threat of legislation. Any regulation that is relaxed can be retightened and firms no that.
Did you know that cable channels are not held to the FCC's laws? Why do you suppose it is that they seem to follow standards similar to that on regular TV (talking about commercial cable channels, not premium channels)?

Granted I see the point in not allowing such things in plainly seen public (as decided by local obscenity laws), but I just wanted to point out that firms would probably not take advantage of such changes and that I don't believe there is any particular right to parents that should control every aspect of public life.

But also it's important to note that under current laws, ads use subtle sexual references and nearly uncensored nudity. This subtlety requires more use of imagination and is actually more effective than just straight-out porn (unless you are selling porn).


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So you don't mind crack fiends indulging in their habits, even if it means they rob people for crack money? Wouldn't banning the controlled substance make robbing people for crack money unnecessary? Doesn't this mean that free use of crack may have impeded the free will of the folks who were robbed for crack money?
For one thing the use of crack is not automatically connected to robbing for crack. That said it is to be expected if crack use is high as this drug is quite destructive.

But then we come to the problem that illegalizing crack does nothing to impede its use. The people are still diseased with addiction, dealers still find targets to get hooked, and being that use is a crime... people see other crimes as less adventurous and are also likely to keep their use as secret as possible to avoid arrest over the drug. Two seemingly contradictory behaviors that are both influeenced through criminalization.
All drug criminalization, as well as the criminalization of prostitution, lead to black markets that only overall increase the danger to society while not addressing the actual addiction problems of the addicts.
Decriminalization allows us to focus on helping the addicts before they go to other crimes and to shut down the black markets.

One of the troubling commercials about methamphetamines... you seen it? 1 pound of methamphetamines creates (IIRC) 5 pounds of toxic waste. And we have NO IDEA where it goes.
That is a direct result of the black market.
The war on drugs is far too much aimed at its primary victims (the users... victims of the users are the secondary or indirect victims) and not at the black market thugs who actually need to be stopped.
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well lets put it this way;;we are still called a free country, and thats as good as it gets. bush has got to go quickly...wish we could impeach...but that would bring about the horror of cheney,
i dont care for the stringent security laws..and we MUST find a way to ween the country off of oil...a gallon of milk is almost as much as gas.....we knew the oil prices were quickly going to go up..and they have gone up so fast that the gas still in the tanks at gas stations is rising in price.....how the heck does that work?

can we say gas gouging.
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There are no laws against this right now. Now, if you're talking about relaxing restrictions on pornography, then why shouldn't pornography be used in advertisements? Wouldn't a billboard showing two models humping be more effective in selling Enzyte, than "Smilin' Bob" and his endless double entendres? Would you appreciate driving your kid down the street, and having her subject to that billboard? Doesn't this sort of thing impede on your free will to raise your kid?
Honestly seeing that billboard wouldnt bother me even if my daughter saw it. I just dont look at sexuality and nudity as something we should fear. As a father do I fear her getting pregnant once she becomes a teenager?? YES most definitely! However instead of living in fear of what might happen, I plan on educating her to the point that she knows what the reprucussions of a sexually active lifestyle are. Is it guaranteed to work?? No its not. But im not going to shelter her, and dont think its necessary.


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So you don't mind crack fiends indulging in their habits, even if it means they rob people for crack money? Wouldn't banning the controlled substance make robbing people for crack money unnecessary? Doesn't this mean that free use of crack may have impeded the free will of the folks who were robbed for crack money?
Stealing is infringing on someone elses free will. Therefore I have a problem with it. No I dont have a problem with someone else becoming a crack fiend. If they want to live that way, then that is their business.


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I love the way you demand respect "because you're a marine," but then you completely disrespect folks who are religious, or have spirituality.
Wait....who have I disrespected for their religious beliefs or for their spirituality?? Do I have to go back just over the last few days and dig up the NUMEROUS posts in which I have CLEARLY stated that I respect everyones right to believe in whatever they want. I simply ask that they dont press THEIR beliefs down MY throat.

YOU are putting words into my mouth and making assumptions that arent based on anything. The only religious person here who I have criticized for their beliefs is Link who is Mormon, and that is only because he was being ignorant to me first.

I have NO problem with religious people. Hey basing your life on religion can be an excellent thing. The majority of my family is religious and I love all of them. However as someone who doesnt necessarily share your religious beliefs, all im asking for is that you dont throw them into policy and law and therefore shove them down my throat.

I dont hate religion at all though. As a matter of fact I love religion because at its core it teaches people to love each other. I simply dont believe in most of it because there is little to no fact to back it up.
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