WOW! We are screwed! Thank God We have you to show us the way. Oh and the concern and care for us is so touching. I'm feelin the loooooooove my brother. I'm gonna send you a big juicy fruit basket.

So your counter argument now is that ALL democracies turn into Oligarchies because a circus clown said that 100 years ago and now youre repeating those words to justify the non-democratic nature of the USA ?


The circus clown is from Europe, he's your circus clown, and I said I don't believe his theory's, but since you
called us a oligarchy, it means you believe his theory that all democracy's can turn into one. otherwise you would
not have called the US a oligarchy, while at the same time I was showing you that your a oligarchy if you believe
the US to be one.

Again I will make my stance clear, I don't believe your circus clown, yet if you want to assert that Democracy's
can become oligarchy, then your own country is a oligarchy. and you have to agree with your circus clown.


Anyway, getting down to the real root of your problem to understand what the American system is.

Fool, you have given proof to everyone here that you don't really get what our system is, you and
many other Euro-Libs have said the same, this is why when I study the layout of all the countries
that make up the Euro Union of today, we see that none of them are the same as what we have over here,
in fact we can see flaws in them. So again I assert that Europeans only simulate what we have.

Now you might argue my points, but time will show, one part of your union I can point out as proof that
all your so called democracy's will in time fail is to just look at Italy.

Now Italy in my book is a cancer that is taking part in your UNION, something the Americans would not
put up with.

Again I assert that the Americans took the idea of democrocy and turned it into a lasting democrocy.
I called it Tweaking the flaws out.

Face it The Euro Union is full of monarchy's like the British system, it is still a conditional monarchy, the same as the Netherlands,
and Denmark and a lot of other non republican countries in Europe.

Others have argued what form of government in the world is the oldest? As I looked into that question I was surprised to
realize that what ever form of government it is, it would have to be one that was not changed since it's creation.
America's was the only one like that, others argued and debated that assertion and pointed to our civil war.

In no way did the civil war or the civil rights movement represent a fundamental change to the US system of government.
We are in fact under the same Constitution that we were two hundred years ago.
And the definition of the country is the Constitution.

I have always thought of the US system as a relative newcomer in the world, but not so.
That's really quite amazing. soon it will be without a shadow of a doubt the oldest, longest lasting form of
government on the face of the earth.


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He's from Australia, but Australia does have the same system of government.


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"It is extremely difficult for our contemporaries to conceive of the conditions of free banking because they take government interference with banking for granted and as necessary"

-- Ludwig von Mises

Not exactly same - but very similar in many ways. We are still a non-democratic nation in Australia.

Our military forces have killed 2,673 people in foreign conflicts since WW2.

The USA is responsible for over 12.36 million civilian deaths* in other countries since WW2 - all of these conflicts where instigated by the USA and had no self defense basis.

So there are some differences between our countries. We also have a fair and functioning health system that treats EVERY australian citizen on humanitarian grounds rather than their ability to pay or their asset base.


(*this figure does not include the IRAQI civilian deaths NOR the Japanese civilians deaths caused by the dropping of the nuclear bombs onto Hiroshima dn nagasaki)

I am surprised that a pacifist country as yours could even kill 2,673 people.
anyway, you stoped at WW2, you did not want to go back to WW1 or earlier?,
where the Aboriginal population was over 300 Million- 750 Million, and you killed
the Aboriginal population by up to 80% between 1788 and 1900.
that's more then 240 MILLION or over 560 MILLION.

Looks to me the Americans still have a long way to go to catch up with you.



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HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN WW2 - OVER 160 TRILLION? SOMETHIGN LIKE THAT WASNT IT?

the population of the indigineous peoples in Australia and the Torress Strait Islands was approx. 1.2 million at the time of the Brittish invasion.

It is currently approx 250,000.

You can do the sums!

The Americas had in excess of 12 million native indians.

How many are left in the USA today?

Do you even know?

Remember the majority of blood throughout the ages has been on WHITE, CHRISTIAN HANDS - look at the history books and ye shall seeth that it is my child.

Native Americans were not in all 48 states, and their population at the time
of European colonization was not large by any means.

When you add up wars and epidemic diseases, the population fell by 35%
with diseases being the number one reason for most of the deaths.
Chicken pox, Smallpox, measles, being the Number one cause of deaths.

But by by 1832, the federal government established a smallpox vaccination program
for Native Americans (The Indian Vaccination Act of 1832). ( just one of many programs.)

History shows by records that America had no policy, or will to destroy the Native Americans
But worked hard to try to make deals with them, war broke out, off and on with different
tribes, when they felt the Government had infringed on a deal.

The vaccination programs formed back in the 1800's shows that we tried to help
them more then trying to commit genocide on them, to say otherwise shows a gross ignorance
of American History.


HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN WW2 - OVER 160 TRILLION? SOMETHIGN LIKE THAT WASNT IT?


If I remember right, that was Hitlers Germany, Not America, and it was a Euro thingy.
and you have the numbers way to high, so high that it's fiction.
seeing how most claim that the total lost lives in ww2 was about 60 million
witch is debatable, but no where in the trillions LOL

Fool, go hit the History books harder.

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Australia is a British penal colony not a nation

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