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Why should we expect the Change Obama is preaching to be any more effective than the change his cohorts pledged in their campaigns that gave the Democrats a majority in congress? Whose approval ratings are lower right now, Congress or the President? CONGRESS! Well Hillary, McCain, and Obama are all part of that problem, but Obama is part of the controlling party. So how exactly is his "change" going to be positive?

OBAMA DOES NOT REPRESENT CHANGE AT ALL!!!!!
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Why should we expect the Change Obama is preaching to be any more effective than the change his cohorts pledged in their campaigns that gave the Democrats a majority in congress? Whose approval ratings are lower right now, Congress or the President? CONGRESS! Well Hillary, McCain, and Obama are all part of that problem, but Obama is part of the controlling party. So how exactly is his "change" going to be positive?

OBAMA DOES NOT REPRESENT CHANGE AT ALL!!!!!
I can't attest to whether Obama will bring change or not, as I am not psychic... and generally I have low expectations of politicians, even ones I like (relative to the others).

But as for the congress approval, that's a funny bunch of numbers... Congress as a whole gets poor ratings, but somehow each individual congress member gets great ratings with their own constituents.

So people seem to think that congress is bad... but their congress members are good!
What exactly does that mean? Basically that people will despise congress as a whole if it doesn't act exactly as they expect on a local level... but people have no uniform expectation of congress, as they all seem to think their guy is fine!

The president... well he's everyone's president. And while we can't say everyone expects a uniform thing from him... what we can say is that there is more agreement that he as an individual is doing a bad job!

But at any rate, Congress' low ratings do not appear to have as much to do with which party is in charge as much as the fact that every locality has its own expectations. Democrats who think lowly of Congress are frustrated by what they see as obstruction to change and possibly weak leadership. Republicans just don't like the Democratic positions. That is exact opposite reasons for being angry! So how can you think that the party of the president is important in that dispute?
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I can't attest to whether Obama will bring change or not, as I am not psychic... and generally I have low expectations of politicians, even ones I like (relative to the others).

But as for the congress approval, that's a funny bunch of numbers... Congress as a whole gets poor ratings, but somehow each individual congress member gets great ratings with their own constituents.

So people seem to think that congress is bad... but their congress members are good!
What exactly does that mean? Basically that people will despise congress as a whole if it doesn't act exactly as they expect on a local level... but people have no uniform expectation of congress, as they all seem to think their guy is fine!

The president... well he's everyone's president. And while we can't say everyone expects a uniform thing from him... what we can say is that there is more agreement that he as an individual is doing a bad job!

But at any rate, Congress' low ratings do not appear to have as much to do with which party is in charge as much as the fact that every locality has its own expectations. Democrats who think lowly of Congress are frustrated by what they see as obstruction to change and possibly weak leadership. Republicans just don't like the Democratic positions. That is exact opposite reasons for being angry! So how can you think that the party of the president is important in that dispute?
That is excatly what I would say if I were a Democrat and Congress was as pitiful and ineffective as they are right now.
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Change is just a platitude, his platforms aren't revolutionary. The 'change' and 'hope' word games are nothing more than that. You target people that don't like the way things are right now and you promise to 'change' things without every really specifying what it is that your going to change, what your going to change it to, and how this change is going to result in a better overall situation.

You have to understand that the democratic voting base is a largely uneducated one and relying on platitudes and meaningless phrases is an excellent campaign strategy, since most people aren't going to do any more research on the candidates than what they hear in a 30 sec TV commercial.
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