Fascism is as left wing as communism.

Next.....

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No competition? uhh...

ROFLMNAO... Now that's just sad. I remember when the left claimed the intellectual high ground and here we have a self described Commie, projecting that her opponent was implying something which he clearly was not and then committing the EXACT SAME INTELLECTUAL CRIME THAT SHE RAN TO DENOUNCE!

ROFL... Oh God that's precious...

Yeah I get that about you... which is why I laughed at your faux enlightenment...


What you've just described is the working definition of proponents of the collective; AKA: LEFTISTS Which only serves to support my position, disemboweling your own...

ROFL.. GREAT JOB!

Wrong... I am not assailing you for not conforming; I'm merely belittling you for being such trying to be such a smarty pants and being so completely wrong in the process.

Oh, I thank you for the suggestion and rest assured I'm all about the learnin'...

I plead GUILTY! The only way for leftist policy to be enforced is by fascist means to avoid non- compliance and rebellion in the masses that would ursurp our agenda.

I keep trying to tell these "lecture podium socialism students" is that freedom and liberty lead to options that are not compatible with Progressive/Liberal agendas. How else can we expect to have universal healthcare, responsible environmental dictates, and other up-coming social programs?

Live in Sweden?

Its weird seeing you and Publius in the same thread, its like Clark Kent and Superman in the same room- don't get me wrong, I'm still giving you the benefit of the doubt about your sincerity, its just that you seem to have the same views of the world, but you've just made opposite decisons as to how things should be. Or in other words, you confirm his paranoia.

Umm.... Nope. Fascism is right-wing.

Fascism does not believe in economic equality or fairness. It does not believe in welfare, and it is anti-union. Completely opposite to what the left-wing believes.

Fascism also believes in a moral basis to the state. It emphasizes family, a strong role for religion, and traditional values. Again, very inconsistent with left-wing beliefs.

Fascism also glorifies the state. It believes that the home state is superior to all other states. This is an extremely right-wing stance, and has lead to rampant militarism and imperialism in fascist states. The left-wing believes that no state is better than another, and emphasizes cooperation between states rather than competition.

Its a joke to say that fascism is left-wing, since it is clear that the main principles of the ideology have right-wing qualities.

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When is Publius back?

what does ROFLMNAO stand for?

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ABoyNamedSue - Speaking of Crestwoods posts - And then there'll be some link to some page, written in hindu or something, talking about sherpas and A&W root beer, and how George Bush is to blame for some Jewish neo-nazi death camp, run by Elvis Presley, on the far side of the moon that's been busted for killing kittens or something

Wrong, and I will prove it.

Some highlights from the Italian Fascist program

• Repeal of titles of nobility
• A minimum wage
• End of the draft.
• Forcing landowners to cultivate their lands or have them expropriated .
• A large progressive tax on capital that would amount to a one-time partial expropriation of all riches.

That seems pretty economically fair and equal to me.

Some more

• The creation of various government bodies run by the workers.
• Reform of the old-age and pension system and the establishment of age limits for hazardous work.
• The nationalization of all arms and explosives industries.

So the left wing believes in small government and life, liberty, and property rights for all citizens? That appears to be what the opposite of a fascist dictatorship would be to me.

Morality in the Nietzscheian sense is not morality, it is simply the "will to power" nonsense and what not.

Fascism requires unswerving loyalty to the state. Anything that gives connections between people and not to the state is bad, and must go. Families were ripped apart by the Hitler Youth movement when parents could not talk freely in their own homes because their loyal children would turn them in. Sounds like a big emphasis on the family to me, as a tool of the state maybe.

Once again, fascism requires unswerving loyalty to the state. Any other institutions that take away loyalty from the state are bad, and must go. However, the pragmatic decision made by Mussolini and Hitler was to use religion as a tool to subjugate people to the state, while reducing and ultimately destroying religion. Hitler used an analogy about how he would destroy Christianity. He would do it like railroad bridges were replaced. You would add a new bolt here and there, and replace old beams with new ones. Eventually you would have an entirely new structure and no one would notice.

The values fascism held were those of ancient Rome for the Italians and German paganist Teutonic traditions for Germany. They despised the traditional values of capitalist, bourgeois society and sought to overthrow these values. You could say that Communism supports the traditional values held in prehistoric times where all property in a tribe or family was communal, but it wouldn't make any sense.

Define "left wing" for me.

Yes it does, but is that right wing? I seem to recall the most liberal president of all time also glorifying the state. FDR was probably the most nationalistic president of all time. He also wanted to use nationalism as a force for good in the country, the same as the fascists. I wonder which party looks to FDR to get all of its values. Hmmmm....

Fascism is nationalist socialism. Its nationalist aspect does include the logic that the home state is superior to all other states. This is a trait inherent to right and left, and is not exclusively right wing. The French Revolution was a nationalist movement. If you ever hear anyone say the French Revolution was right wing, I suggest you back away slowly because they are probably a psychopath. It lead to rampant militarism and imperialism as the new nationalist French soldiers desired to spread their revolutionary ideals to the rest of Europe. Eventually Napoleon came to the spotlight and continued this.

Marxism believes that no state is better than another. The Fascists are national socialists and they support "war socialism" or "socialism of the trenches, not of the factories." Both Hitler and Mussolini realized that class consciousness would not lead to a socialist revolution, you needed to use the nationalism of people's to accomplish that. Wilson in the US used this policy during WWI, and then FDR ran on a platform of bringing it back. Today's liberals have a strong Marxist influence, but Marxists are the only ones who can call fascism right wing.

The only right wing qualities that I am aware of were laid out by Locke, Burke, and Smith.

Locke held that every human being was entitled to the natural rights of life, liberty, and property. Fascism did not respect the rights of people to life. Fascism did not respect the rights of people to liberty. Fascism did not respect the rights of people to property.

Burke held that revolutions were bad and that the established order was the best and that violence was wrong. Fascism was a revolutionary movement. Fascism was an overthrow of the established order. Fascism was a very violent movement.

Smith held that the free market was the greatest economic system available to society and that the government's only purposes in economics were to protect the country from foreign invasion and to prevent the formation of monopolies. Fascism was an aggressive movement. Fascism was anti-Capitalist. Fascism desired the formation of state run monopolies headed by the laborers.

If you have a different definition of right-wing, then please share.

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You can never know the position of a liberal and the logic behind it at the same time,
because the closer you get to finding one, the more unknown the other one becomes.

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