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The hate represented in those general terms...
Now I realize for some people "blame" equals "hate" (and by extension for some that is also equivalent to disagreement)... but that is not the norm.

Rev. Wright believes society, white dominated, is the reason blacks are behind. He believes in a few nutty conspiracies along with this otherwise not-socrazy viewpoint.
How does that equal hate?
Do you think Rev. Wright hates white people that are against racism?
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In general terms... What does that have to do with hate?
It doesn't even have anything to do with individual whites, let alone hate.
Whether his ideology makes sense or not is not at issue in this instance. Prove hate.
I actually agree!
Political posturing has developed to the point where opposition equals hatred.
If I oppose something you do or beleive, I hate you according to many politically greedy people.
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Now I realize for some people "blame" equals "hate" (and by extension for some that is also equivalent to disagreement)... but that is not the norm.

Rev. Wright believes society, white dominated, is the reason blacks are behind. He believes in a few nutty conspiracies along with this otherwise not-socrazy viewpoint.
How does that equal hate?
Do you think Rev. Wright hates white people that are against racism?
Well the fact that he pastored a church where very wealthy African-Americans were the members seems to indicate in and of itself that the pastor is wrong. Also the fact that he can get up in front of a congregation and rant and rave about the evils of America with impunity also indicates how wrong his outlook on the nation is!!!

If he leads his parishoners backward in time to a time when they were oppressed and keeps them there mentally, he is the evil in the equation!
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If he leads his parishoners backward in time to a time when they were oppressed and keeps them there mentally, he is the evil in the equation!
That's true... and actually Obama has come around to this assessment.
But when it comes down to personality, I don't think Rev. Wright is doing it out of hate or malevolence. He believes the crap he's saying... and to some extent it's understandable.

He's a good indication of why it's time for "changing of the guard" in civil rights.
I'm certain the next generation of "black leaders" will have an entirely different tone and take on things.
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He's a good indication of why it's time for "changing of the guard" in civil rights.
I'm certain the next generation of "black leaders" will have an entirely different tone and take on things.
I hope for the sake of all of us that you are right!!!
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I guess hate speech is acceptable when its a white guy doing it, but when its a black guy doing it, then its the end of the world lol..

I dont think the Wright thing was a big deal, and I dont think the Hagee thing is a big deal.

Both of them say idiotic things, but they also speak the truth in SOME instances as well.

And neither McCain nor Obama should be held accountable for what either of these guys are saying.
The only reason Islamists are considered a religious group and not a dangerous cult is that the group has existed for such a long time. It has all the markings of what we commonly call a cult in America!!!

McCain opposes their teachings? Well I certainly hope so! It is a tyrannical religion that teaches the extermination of all non beleivers!!! Nothing could be more unAmerican!
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When Republicans found a video clip of Barrack Obama's former pastor delivering an over the top rant against America they thought they'd found a winner. The pastor's comments were denounced immediately by virtually everyone, including Obama. But the Republicans wanted to play the "guilt by association" card so they kept shoving the topic into the public debate. Apparently they'd forgotten about the old adage of rock throwing when you live in a glass house.

Now their Republican candidate has his problems over a pastor's remarks. John McCain, knowing full well the message of hate and intolerance from John Hagee sought out, and welcomed his support and endorsement. Hagee's radical comments have been well documented over the years in televised sermons, books and interviews, so McCain's campaign knew full well his views and stated positions. The New York Times has recently published an article detailing many of his hate-spewing messages.

There is another individual that John McCain has sought out and welcomed into his inner circle that is equally problematic. Rev. Rod Parsley, the man John McCain calls his "spiritual advisor", also has a long record of outrageous, divisive remarks delivered as "sermons". He claims America was actually founded so that we can eradicate Islam from the planet. He believes America should actually deal with Islam as if it's some despicable disease that needs to be vanquished from the world. To do so, he advocates virtually a permanent state of war, in which the United States should go around the planet killing followers of Islam. This "Christian", this pastor, has actually said in a sermon... "We get off on war!"

So John McCain has chosen, that's CHOSEN, made a calculated, conscientious decision to bring these merchants of intolerance into his inner circle. What concessions he's made to secure their endorsements and support is not known. His "spiritual advisor" even has wet dreams, "getting off on war". Presumably, Rev. Parson's thirst for war and "getting off" on it doesn't involve his direct participation. Between these two, self-claimed "Christians", they would see an America that attacks Catholics and Islam, using actual warfare with deaths, destruction and devastation so they can "get off". These are individuals intentionally sought out and selected by John McCain to part of his campaign, and should he win the election, his administration as well.

Since Republicans want to use "guilt by association" as a criteria for America to use in deciding our next president it's a two-way street. There is the issue of the video tape of Obama's former pastor, whose remarks were denounced by Obama, and who has now separated himself from the pastor. Then there are the two pastors sought out and embraced by John McCain, that he remains aligned with, and has even elevated one to the status of "spiritual advisor". If Republicans are correct in assuming Americans want more war, actually on a global front, then they won't have a problem with hate-spewing messages from this pair. If they're wrong, then they need Americans to not be aware of the true, core, publically stated positions of McCain's advisers.

Here's a link to a short video featuring John McCain and his "spiritual advisor", Rod Parsley. If this is repugnant to you, if you don't think this is the course our nation should take, if you're not an advocate of a perpetual state of global war for our nation, then don't simply view this video and disagree... share it with someone else. Our country is at a crossroads and we have to decide what kind of people we truly are. Knowing the facts, the real facts, is an essential part of making that decision.

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Although you make some good point s, you forget who you are dealing with! These are the guys that make things like Breaking the law just go away. They torture innocent people and terrorist and it’s against the law; U.S. and internationally, but how do they handle this. The Republican Party simply changes the definition of torture to be anything up to the point of death. So you can do anything as long as it doesn’t cause death. They fire prosecutors to install people loyal to Bush; The E-mails that weren’t destroyed called these people loyal "Bushies". Now this represents a consorted effort to take over the country! In 2000 they rigged the Election and got away with it. George Bushes own autobiography mentions that he thought his father made a big mistake in not going to Baghdad during the first Golf war and went on to explain that his father had a tremendous amount of political capital during that time, which he wasted. George bush said that if he had the chance to go into Iraq; that he would take advantage of the political opportunity and use it to get the things he wants passed and get the people he wants into positions within his administration. With the pre-confession in his autobiography and the Intel suggesting there were no WMD's in Iraq and the subsequent lies told to foster a war with Iraq. Do you think for one minuet that McCain can’t deal with his own pastor problems! He will simply state I was never a member of his church and it will be left alone. While Obama will be brow beaten for his association and it will NOT be left alone! Understand where we are, understand that we are just spectators in this process; obviously our votes have limited power over who gets elected (Electoral College). I’m sorry but McCain’s Pastors will have little air time and have little effect on his support! We can only hope his double dealing in campaign matching funds and his loan to his campaign based on moneys he said he wouldn’t take bites him in the @$$! Remember he’s a war Hero and that is what they will beat like a dead horse and display for the country. Strange thing is it will have a major impact.
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Remember he’s a war Hero and that is what they will beat like a dead horse and display for the country. Strange thing is it will have a major impact.
Well when you match a war hero agaisnt a complete zero, who would you like to win?

face it, Obama is a great big bag of nothing but hot air!
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Well when you match a war hero agaisnt a complete zero, who would you like to win?

face it, Obama is a great big bag of nothing but hot air!
To be politically correct there is respect you give to a person who has been in war and a prisoner of war! BUT this is not the qualifier for running for president. McCain has jumped off his own cliff in terms of switching his position! It harkens back to Kerry being for things before he was against them. How does he get passed that? In his own words, He openly condemned the Tax cuts during a time of war as an insult to his senses. To water boarding "The army field manual gives are men and women the tools they need to fight terrorism with out torture". But since he needs the conservative Vote, he has taken an about face. He's a disingenuous person and is a shill for the Republican Party. In past years he could be called a Maverick, but now he is a Puppet.
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