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Old 05-08-2008, 04:32 PM
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I bet you didn't know that about 36% of those who reported capital gains in 2006 had an adjusted gross income of less than $50,000. Screw the rich, right? Fairness is everything. Who cares if capital gains revenues actually decrease?
Anyone who wants to know more about this should go to this. Why Obama's Policies Will Ruin the Economy

It's explicit.
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Old 05-08-2008, 04:46 PM
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Some day, maybe. You can disagree with tax policy, and still not drift into hyperbolic "authoritarian" nonsense."

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THIS IS THE BASIS OF HUMAN CIVILITY IN GOVERNMENT, READ LOCKE. EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PROPERTY. THESE ARE THE PRINCIPLES OUR CONSTITUTION IS BASED ON. READ IT!!!!
Locke didn't mention people that don't exist yet. But, you want to the government to force women to abandon liberty and property, by denying them reproductive rights.

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It means no one can take away your life. Sheesh.
So, you're against the death penalty, I take it?

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We are not here to discuss the extremely liberal policies of Sen. John McCain, you are deliberately trying to change the subject away from Obama.
I was merely responding to your query for proof of McCain being more authoritarian, which he is.



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Please don't tell me that Obama would not tax us
Everybody's going to tax you. That's just a fact of civilization, most people get over it by adolescence.
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or take away the right to life of unborn children.
A right that doesn't exist, which you are willing to authoritatively deny the reproductive rights of women to attain.

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Maybe he won't violate some of our rights, but that we are talking about the one's he will. And I repeat, we are not here to talk about McCain.
You haven't listed a single right he would take away.

And remember, we're talking about proof here, not speculation.

You made the claim, back it up. It should be simple if only it were true.
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I bet you didn't know that about 36% of those who reported capital gains in 2006 had an adjusted gross income of less than $50,000.
Is there a point here? That income should be taxed, and if they happen to be a middle class investor, they'll recieve at tax-break on their other income.

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Screw the rich, right? Fairness is everything. Who cares if capital gains revenues actually decrease?
No, not screw the rich. Frankly, I'm voting to pay more taxes, me, a small-time investor, who lives comfortably.

Why?

Because the country is freakin' bankrupt.
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Old 05-08-2008, 05:15 PM
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Obama will raise taxes, therefore denying my right to my property.
Obama does not recognize the right to life of an unborn child, who is still very much alive.
Obama does not recognize the right to my liberty to decide what to pay my employees. Obama on employment discrimination. And minimum wage.
Obama does not recognize my liberty to employ who I want to. Obama on increasing employment of people with disabilities. And also union workers.
Obama does not recognize my liberty or property to trade freely with the people I wish to trade with. Obama on free trade.
Obama does not respect my liberty or property with regards to the Social Security system, which pretty much takes my money and throws it away.

Basically you seem to ignore the fact that everything Obama wants to do increased the role of the government in the lives of the people. The people become dependent on the government for their well being (i.e. Social Security, taxes that take away your property that makes you more dependent on the government for your well being and then gives it to those already dependent on the government, the support of giving food stamps instead of tax breaks in the current economic climate, forced support for public education, public works, public programs for such things as poverty, old age, and the environment, and other things where you must support the government or else you suffer such as his healthcare plan that relies on taxes that you have to pay and benefits that you can choose to take (there really is no choice.)

And somehow you dismiss this as not being authoritarian because "McCain does it too" or "authoritarianism is only secret trials, observation, and arrests" or that "taxes are a fact of life." This is still authoritarianism, the government has more authority over you. These are the purposes of government.

1.) Protect the rights, life, liberty, and property, of all the individuals in the nation.
2.) Defend the country from foreign or domestic invasion or subversion.
3.) Protect the free market from the forces of monopolies, and regulate the natural monopolies whose existence is beneficial and cannot be competitive.
4.) Provide a system that represents the people, so that the power of the government is put in check.
5.) Ensure that no one person or group in the government becomes so powerful as to prevent any of the previous purposes.

OBAMA WANTS TO EXPAND THE POWER OF GOVERNMENT, HE IS THEREFORE AUTHORITARIAN. HE WANTS THE GOVERNMENT TO HAVE MORE POWER OVER THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE AND THE WAY YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE.
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No, not screw the rich. Frankly, I'm voting to pay more taxes, me, a small-time investor, who lives comfortably.

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Because the country is freakin' bankrupt.
Pay the government yourself and don't force me to do as well. You are violating my right to the fruit of my own labor.
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So Obama is pro choice?

Good.
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remember rudy.g his name is too foreign to be president if you ask me

he dropped out

I just dont think this african american in particular

would be right for this country why is only one woman, one african american guy running

Obama this time with a captial o my dad thinks in the long run he wouldnt know what to do

hes not in it for everybody we dont want to go back in time

Mccain is a christian obama was brought up with a non Christian dad

and a Christian mother. I believe in religious freedom of how one decideds to worship God

Hillary has promised safe guards for lower taxes, lower gas prices, health care

and a better economy for people who really want a job the company has to give it to them even if they arent really hiring this economy sucks right now

What I dont get and dont like is when there is Facts and people are saying she should drop out A she won California, New York, Texas and would have won Florida but they disallowed having delegates in Florida

when it's time for Obama VS Mccain

mccain will win
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The government needs to get money from us, not China.
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Hillary never intended to give you gas price cuts, you foolish person you. She uses words like "want to" or 'would favor" to make it sound like she is promising such cuts, while taking no steps to introduce legislation that would make it possible for Dubya to eventual veto. What do you call it when someone promises something they have no intention of delivering and then castigate their opponent for not making the same non-promise. Obama's main problem seems to be that he doesn't assume the average voter has an IQ of 80 the way Hillary apparently does.
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The government needs to get money from us, not China.
See here: Why Obama's Policies Will Ruin the Economy

I give a detailed explanation of how the government should make its money. And this is a different post than the one I gave another link to above.

It's quite obvious that not very many people here know very much about how the economy works, otherwise they wouldn't be supporting Obama.
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