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From Karen Armstrong`s highly acclaimed A History of God, p.303:
[i]This spirit of tolerance and co-operation was strikingly demonstrated in the policies of Akbar, the third Moghul emperor, who reigned from 1560 to 1605 and who respected all faiths. Out of sensitivity to the Hindus, he became vegetarian, gave up hunting - a sport he greatly enjoyed - and forbade the sacrifice of animals on his birthday or in the Hindu holy places. In 1575 he founded a House of Worship, were scholars from all religions could meet to discuss God.
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Was this amazing sign of graciousness after the Hindu Kush (hindu slaughter) Mountain range came to be called such as a result of islamic jihad against the Hindus?
Oh yes, the period of time you mention is also not generally thought of as the islamic "golden era". But whatever, I doubt the historical record is really of concern to you.
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Here, apparently, the Jesuit missionaries from Europe were the most aggressive.
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According to your odd application of the term "biggotry", how does this statement not apply. Oh yes, because it is OK to criticize Christianity and any other Western value mercilessly, because "we can take it". But god forbid offering the same set of standards to those 'simple brown people', they just can't take it. Your Western arrogance is greater than you give yourself credit for and results in the acceptance of barbarism as long as it effects non-European blood. Thanks for nothing, Mr. Sunshine.
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Islam, like Christianity and Judaism, can be, and has been, interpreted in different ways.
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Your implications are wrong. Christianity, the NT, was never an endorsement of violence until it was wed to gov't. islam and Judaism were wed to gov't from the start, but Judaism was never triumphantlist at least (where Chrisitanity was in fact). Islam adopted the worse of both traditions. To ignore such fundamentals is a clear sign of no serious intent.
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Your beef is with a particular interpretation. That interpretation has a current, significant following for reasons that are mostly political, not theological.
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Absolute hogwash. Violent jihad and islamic triumphantalism is intrinsic to islamic doctrine, with the exception of Ahmadi's who are not ironically widely persecuted as apostates and not even allowed into mecca. My beef is with islam as it has historically been practiced from inception.
Name an islamic school of jurisprudence that does not endorse violent jihad as a legitimate tool, I dare you to try.
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Nor have Muslims been silent in their condemnation of the atrocities perpetrated in Islam`s name. If your media only shows you the ranting cleric from half a world away blame your media, not Islam.
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Oh yes, we're all just confused. The world is actually comprised of hundreds of millions of muslims dedicated to peace and clearing islams otherwise good name.
Let me ask you why in the midst of these supposed condemnations there has never been any jihad against these "hijackers"? Interesting dearth of action in this regard, don't you think? I mean surely the ummah must be so disgusted with the genocide that has been going on in Sudan since the early 1990's that they must be lining up to go on jihad there the way do in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Chechnya, India, etc.
Oh wait.....maybe not.
Hell, lets just take a look at some of the numbers:
In a Pew survey:
~double digits % of muslims in all nations surveyed said they supported suicide bombings!
~Averages over 50% had unfavorable opinions of Christians.
~Almost complete unfavorable ratings for Jews. Where could they get that idea, perhaps from the koran which calls Jews the offspring of apes and pigs? What specific strain of islam might the koran fall under, btw?
~Oh yes and double digit % in about half muslim lands still look at OBL favorably.
More reading for your pleasure here:
http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=248
Say it ain't so, Mr. Sunshine!
Tell me these numbers are lies and that the mythical ummah is really of bunch of teddy bears just wanting a good squeeze.
Tell me that beheading videos are not all the rage in virtually every Arab bazaar you might stumble through. Because I know better.
You want to see biggotry, go visit the busiest islamic forums, the ones normally called moderate because ignorant Westerners know no better and have no desire to. The truly interested party will discover the truth there, especially in the Arabic forums.
Maybe invest in this and go take a look:
http://www.translationsoftware4u.com...ranslation.htm
Why when the rest of the world gets on board with the UN Declaration of Human Rights, the islamic world refuses and sees fit to establish their own islamic Declaration of Human Rights? Curious behaviour from such well wishers, eh?
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/instree...claration.html
We recently had a poster here (that I won't name) tell us how the KKK was really just a social club. I suppose we should accept this too to avoid the awful biggot label being applied to us, or not.
PS ~ Karen Armstrong is an apologist, btw. If you are going to read her then you should read Ibn Warraq for balance. Actually not even, because he is too serious - Craig Winn would be more balance for her tripe. What's next, learning about climatology from Gore?
I've read them all, except Gore.
Sorry for the tirade, but you need it.
rgds