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Old 05-10-2008, 05:35 AM
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why would the democrats crucify someone for speaking the truth ... that crucifixion for truth telling is best left with the (post Goldwater) republicans.

anyway, Judge Learned Hand said it best:
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treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes.
Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister
in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone
does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any
public duty to pay more than the law demands."
so, while Warren Buffett shares his financial wisedom with a nation which refuses to listen to it, he has no obligation to act against his self interest (which dumb behavior is yet another post-Goldwater republican trait)
Oh, I get it...so a DEMOCRAT rich guy doesn't have to pay "his fair share" of taxes???? Why is it that the democrats always whine about "the rich not paying enough in taxes," but rich allies like Buffett get a free pass? Why do democrats so desperately strive to oppress the wealthy, and bleed them dry then? Oh, but Buffett isn't breaking any laws, so he's ok??? If Obama gets to the White House, are all the tax increase laws he passes going to have clauses that excuse democratic supporters like Buffett??

You can't pick and choose who you persecute with taxation. This is completely hypocritical.
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Oh, I get it...so a DEMOCRAT rich guy doesn't have to pay "his fair share" of taxes???? Why is it that the democrats always whine about "the rich not paying enough in taxes," but rich allies like Buffett get a free pass? Why do democrats so desperately strive to oppress the wealthy, and bleed them dry then? Oh, but Buffett isn't breaking any laws, so he's ok??? If Obama gets to the White House, are all the tax increase laws he passes going to have clauses that excuse democratic supporters like Buffett??

You can't pick and choose who you persecute with taxation. This is completely hypocritical.
obviously, you DON'T get it
the rich guy pays what he has to pay under the present system
the rich guy recognizes that the tax burden is disproportionately placed upon the least affluent when taxes actually paid are measured against total income
the rich guy says we should revise the system so other rich guys, him included, should have to pay a fair share
but the rich guy, following Judge Learned Hand's admonition, does not now pay more than he has to - because until the system changes - he doesn't have to
that should not be difficult to follow ... why do i anticipate you will still be unable to "get it"
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I don't really think McCain would do much better. Why was that Romney guy so unpopular? He looked like a good choice for President from what I saw of him.
I lived in Boston under Romney and let me tell you. If he was president we would probably have been invaded due to the extreme showing of incompetence. Most of the people voting in the primaries didn't know much about how incompetent he was, but the higher-ups in the Republican party did and they did not want him to represent them. He was also a Mormon which put off all the social conservatives, which was the real reason he lost.

A lot of people here have been decrying how unfair the tax burden is between the rich and poor, so I'll explain why it is better for everybody. Take Warren Buffet for example. He spends a smaller percentage of his massive wealth on his living expenses like food, his house, etc, even if he does spend a lot more on those things than most other people. Most of his money is reinvested and it serves to help build capital, the means of production, that creates not only jobs for Americans, but also factories and such that produce goods for consumers, that produces wealth, most of which goes to the American people, and some of which goes to Buffet for his good investment. Poorer people spend less of their money on investment and such (even though they should still invest, it's one of the best ways to get out of poverty, a little goes a long way) and so they pay taxes more on what they spend for living expenses, just because of the way we distribute taxes. In the long run, it's better for everybody because it produces more wealth for everybody, including the poor.
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why would it be far fetched for a billionaire who also cares about America to suggest raising taxes on the wealthy ... that is exactly what another astute financial sage, Warren Buffett, has advocated
Buffet's wrong on that point. Why doesn't Buffet just invest more money, make more, and then voluntarily give it to the government if he wants the government to have more money? Buffett doesn't have any right to empower others to steal from people just because he thinks it should be done.

The problem isn't the amount of money this government has. This government has PLENTY of money. It just wastes it. You have to clean up the system first. Throwing money at the problem won't work.
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The economy is ALREADY ruined, where have you been?
Bush's stupidity has indeed hurt the economy. His big spending, lack of immigration control, inflation from printing too much currency, and growth of government are all a huge drag on the economy.
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It doesn't matter how ignorant Obama is, his constituents are even more stupid and will blindly believe anything he says as long as he blames white wealthy Americans and promises to penalize them.

This is a perfect example of why the US is NOT a democracy and why US citizens do NOT have the right to vote for President. The entire Presidential election process is unConstitutional.

I kind of agree with you there. While I'm not as educated on political issues as I think I should be (one of the reasons I joined this forum) one of the things that horrifies me is the idiocy of the vast majority of Obama supporters. You ask them why they want to vote for him, they say something vague like "change" and then can't figure out anything else to say. It's scary.
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I don't really think McCain would do much better. Why was that Romney guy so unpopular? He looked like a good choice for President from what I saw of him.
Yeah, I kind of thought so, too.
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Yeah, I kind of thought so, too.
Please tell me you did not say that. It says on your profile that you live in Boston. DO YOU KNOW HOW MESSED UP THAT PLACE IS COMPARED TO MOST OF AMERICA? I had the misfortune to live there until last year, when I moved to Georgia. You should move too.
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I kind of agree with you there. While I'm not as educated on political issues as I think I should be (one of the reasons I joined this forum) one of the things that horrifies me is the idiocy of the vast majority of Obama supporters. You ask them why they want to vote for him, they say something vague like "change" and then can't figure out anything else to say. It's scary.
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