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Old 05-10-2008, 06:07 PM
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The government does not have the support of its people and it would not be like Iraq. They people have democratically elected Aung San Soo Kyi or however you spell it and the monks would lead the people to a democratic government. I would be quite willing to take the banner over there.

AND IT WOULD SAY MISSION ACCOMPLISHED IN BURMA, NOT MYANMAR. MYANMAR IS THE NAME THE OPPRESSIVE JUNTA GAVE THE COUNTRY.
I also dissagree with the name MYANMAR that is why I was sarcastic.. Look at all we lost when those jebonies started called Burma MYANMAR!!!

We do not have Burma Shave anymore. Movies such as Burma Road ! Commandoes Over Burma !! Operation Burma !!
U Thant who was the UN honco once could not exist since he was from Burma.
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Look at all we lost when those jebonies started called Burma MYANMAR!!!
Look at all the BURMANESE lost when those "jebonies" started to call it MYANMAR.
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See my piece in the thread "USA to make airdrops of aid inside Myanmar w/out permission" which counteracts all this nonsense written in this thread
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this is something the Euros can deal with.

they too are human activists afterall
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Most likely and best outcome will be that the people will see their leadership for the evil scum they are and overthrow them. As far as America is concerned, in the opinion of this American, its simply not our responsibility. Let some of our most vocal critics do it if they want. They are so awesome they shouldn't need our help to invade and forcibly feed these people. Fortunately, I know W is a little more focused on using our military to deal with the people trying to murder out citizens with sneak attacks while they pose as civilians.
That has to be the dumbest thing I've read today! If Bush wanted to deal with terrorist he would have sent 150,000 troops to Afghanistan not Iraq.
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Right, because terrorists are very moral, disciplined soldiers that only exist and only fight in Afghanistan. LOL

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It's all about Iraq, isn't it?

Yep, it's all about Iraq and...

India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal
and the Maldives and...

...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow
the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledg-ment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Qur'an, Sura 9:29
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Default Will US aid to Burma have 'strings' attached to it?

The Burmese tyrants are understandbly reluctant to allow US aid into their country because they know only too well that the aid will probably be subject to economic pre-conditions further down the line. Burma is rich in natural resources and the Burmese junta are well aware that the natural disaster which has befallen their country will provide the potential opportunity for yet another US-led invasion and subsequent economic liberalisation (code for plunder) of their countries resources.

The writer and activist Naomi Klein has documented in detail the impacts of natural disasters in third world countries and the West's response to them, in her book "Disaster Capitalism". She argues that natural disasters provide an ideal opportunity for Western governments to re-configure the economies of third world countries through the implementation of neo-liberal economic policies and/or invasion. Since the disaster in Burma, we have been bombarded with a constant stream of anti- Burmese government propaganda in relation to the alleged prevention of Western aid being allowed to reach the people of that stricken country.

Compare and contrast this with the events that followed Katrina where Bush refused practical help from both Iran and Cuba for political and ideological reasons. The Burmese junta are now being criticised by the West for the same reasons that Bush was NOT criticised. The media remains absolutely silent in regards to this blatant piece of Western hypocrisy. Equally, we are hard pressed to read or hear anything in our media about the humanitarian crisis currently occuring in Ethiopia because we are more interested in her enemy who the US is backing with weapons and tanks. That enemy is Sudan, whose capital Darfur, the media readily reports on, and celebrities like George Clooney endorse.

Could this Western pre-occupation with Darfur and Burma have anything to do with the fact that both are rich in natural resources? I need say little more in this respect, suffice to mention that our Western governments are not primarily concerned (and never have been) about the various humanitarian crisis in the world unless we can get a quick buck in return. Media coverage of resource rich Burma has reached saturation point as the likely pre-requisite for future invasion and subsequent control of their resources. Watch this space.
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Default Yet more 'humanitarian intervention' as the pretext for US control of Burma?

Barely a week has passed since my last post and already it would appear that I have been proved correct. The 17th May edition of the Guardian reported that the West are appearing reluctant to give unconditional financial aid to natural disaster hit third world nations following the trajedies that have befallen Myanmar and China. As I alluded in my last post, aid will come in the form of IMF and World Bank loans which will be granted on the condition that the Burmeses regime, for instance, introduce 'structural adjustment' (rebranded as Poverty Reduction) programmes.

This means that in order to stave off the impacts of the disaster, the Burmese junta will effectively be coerced into accepting these conditions, thus opening up the country for Western foreign direct investment (euphemism for plundering its natural resources). If this approach fails, then food and other supplies are likely to literally be dropped on the country, despite the fact that "barely a fifth of aid dropped in such a way reaches the people who most need it."

(see: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...nenargis.burma).

This will then be the prelude to a possible invasion under the usual pretext of 'humanitarian intervention'.
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I don't know if it will happen, but to really prove that Cons mean to help to the world for just non-US interests, we have to help Myanmar.
Myanmar has oil?



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Europe has no military worth mentioning. They can't even keep a minimum level of troops willing to fight in Afghanistan. They certainly aren't ready to take new missions on.
Can't? Won't! They are tired of being used in the Bush Corporate War.


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OK do IT and get the banner ready that say MISSION ACCOMPLISHED IN MY'OH' MAR

so the Shrub can flly in as a passenger o a utility jet and stand facing the banner and say MISSION ACCOMPLISHED dude
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Oh NOW we should invade because Time says so... that's just dumb

After a huge ass hurricane just hit the country, Time is calling for military intervention to save people... yeah that's probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

THis is not to say I am against a military intervention, but you are basically asking for trouble by invading a country that lost tons of infrastructure, has a huge refugee crisis, has rebel groups in the more dense jungles of Burma and not to mention you have to give aid to people while you are invading. By the way, I haven't even mentioned the elephant in the room that is standing by helping out the Myanmar government.

It's as if Time magazine has a brain the size of a walnut. Not only do they not realize that a civil war has engulfed the country for 60 years, but the United States has basically ignored Burma's situation and the cries of the people for humanitarian intervention for as long as I can remember because China is our friend and we don't want to upset China.

If anything, the United States should have intervened a year ago when they brutally killed rebelling Buddhist monks, or they should have interevened 18 years ago when the democratically held elections that brought in Aung San Suu Kyi as PM and were rejected by the military junta. Or they could have interevened at almost any point in the long history of protests and repressions that has plauged Myanmar for the last 50 years.

But no, now that Myanmar is finallythe vast history in the hot-seat of the media, we want to invade to save lives. Ignore of Burmese struggles for independence that met deaf ears as they cried out for foreign help in overthrowing their government. No, now is the time to do it.

Time, you fail once again at reporting.
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