Originally Posted by Kiwi

I don't know whether it's true that the Kosovo government has any people in it with origins in terrorism, but I don't think that many ethnic Albanians would vote for them. Sure, some might support terrorists. Some Iraqis support Al Queda, some white South Africans supported "The Leader."

This simply does not mean that all of those populations want to destroy their enemies. A large amount either don't care, or even actively protest against the use of violence to resolve disputes. Others are openly hateful of their rivals, but this doesn't mean they want to kill or hurt them.

Imagine what it would be like if the entire populations of both Serbia, Albania, even the whole Balkans fell into that majority.

Many of them do; but one violent act draws more attention than a million people who would never commit such an act. I think we must focus on ways to resolve this without coming to the conclusion that everyone else supports terrorists or wants to destroy the other's country.

Originally Posted by Illyrian Princess

I totally agree with you.

I, for once, def do not support terrorism. The people of Kosovo are peaceful. After going through a war, you would think they want to support terrorism? Not even. Not ever.

It's funny how one person commits a crime, the whole population is judged by it. It's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by AmusedToDeath

What the hell is KLA if not a terrorist organizatin?
Who are Hashim Thaci and Ramush Haradinaj? Leaders of the terrorist KLA, wanted by INTERPOL, heads of Albanian mafia, and both of them take the highest positions within the Kosovar government.

Come on, don't try to sell that crap to me. You Albanians are the one to accuse the entire Serbian population for wars and war crimes. And now you tell me you are PRO individual and personal responsibility! Since when?

You can't deny one fact: the new Albanian history and Albanian "ethnicity" (even though it occurred in the 20th century by illegal immigration of thousands of Albanians, running away from Albanian dictator Enver Hoxa and settling down in Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece ) were invented in order to fulfill the political agenda of a Greater Albania by taking away Serbian, Macedonian, Montenegrin and Greek pieces of territory which you populated illegally in 20th century and gained majority by breeding like rabbits?

Stop pretending you are victims and stop selling crap to these people here.

You were always against the allied forces: you were together with Turkey when whole of Europe fought to stop its expansion in Europe; your gangs attacked the retreating Serbian army in WW1, you were Hitler's and Mussolini's allies - Albanian SS Skenderbeg division counted 9000 people and committed numerous crimes against Serbs and Jews; you were Stalin's allies and ideologists up until 1985, and now you try to represent yourselves as innocent victims of Serbian oppression?

You are liars!

Your Islamo-fascism will be stopped. Desecrating Christian churches and monasteries in Kosovo will be stopped! Your foxy policy will be stopped!

Serbs will never forget your misdeeds. Never! And we will regain our territory that was ours for 700 years up until 1999.

Originally Posted by Kiwi

I hope you realise I'm not biased in this. I like Albanians no more than Serbians, so that is not the reason I think Kosovo's independence is good for the Balkans. The only bias I have is that of peace before war, and I can see that the only outcome that will possibly not cause war, is the independence of Kosovo.

Originally Posted by Foolosophy

Logic is for heartless cowards and deluded ideological iconoclastic mathematicians

Originally Posted by White Fox

I am also non-biased in this conflict, but I see the independence of Kosovo as being an extremely divisive factor in one of the most unstable regions of the world and one in which instability has caused more wars that people can keep up with, and major wars that many powers have been involved in, not just the locals. I like peace, and that's why I oppose independence for Kosovo.

Originally Posted by Kiwi

As long as they didn't have prejudice towards the Serbians in Kosovo, and Serbians had the chance to be in the government, then many Serbians there would be happy.

Originally Posted by Kiwi

I hope you realise I'm not biased in this. I like Albanians no more than Serbians, so that is not the reason I think Kosovo's independence is good for the Balkans. The only bias I have is that of peace before war, and I can see that the only outcome that will possibly not cause war, is the independence of Kosovo.

Now, you could take the land back by force. You could. But what would this achieve? You would have to wipe out most of the Albanian population in Kosovo, or force them to flee to Albania. NATO would intervene again, and more innocent Serbian civilians would die from bombings in Kosovo. The Albanian rebels would survive, and probably strengthen. The Albanian Mafia would survive. Civilians in Kosovo would die, a lot of them. Many more would have no homes, no families.

The KLA would attack Serbian forces, and even civilian tergets in large Serbian cities. More dead. All the people who want to hurt Serbia would still be alive. It would take a complete annihilation of the whole Balkans to remove those dangerous people by force.

Now let's assume Serbians decided to concede Kosovo. Ethnic Albanians would be happy, living in their own region. As long as they didn't have prejudice towards the Serbians in Kosovo, and Serbians had the chance to be in the government, then many Serbians there would be happy. The KLA, the Mafia, everyone who wants to harm Serbia, would be content, and attack less. They would not be provoked. It is true that Serbia would not have it's land. If Serbians were still allowed to live there in peace, why is that so much of a problem?



I'm in no way suggesting that the Albanians are the only victims here. The innocent Albanians, the ones who undertook no violent acts against Serbia, but were cleansed and driven from their homes and families; they are the victims. The innocent Serbians who were brutally murdered and cleansed by the KLA in revenge; they are the victims.

I know some of you have probably suffered immeasurably, and I can't say I know what it feels like. But the most important thing is that it does not happen again. I don't like to preach to everyone about this, but I think we can all agree on it. Does anyone here want more Albanians and Serbians dead? There can't be one without the other.