04-23-2007, 08:23 AM
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Would rather be wise guy than look
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Originally Posted by raytri";p="
I don't suppose, Proof, that you have a credible source for the claim that Chapters 5 and 9 (out of 114) are the actual last chapters, and mean what you claim they mean?
I'll wait, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I don't suppose you even know how to use Google Even though you found/moderate this message board.
Always amazed people Never even are willing/are bright enough to spend 60 seconds before posting.
SO.... for a reference as to the first part of his claim...
I typed into Google chapters 5 and 9 last chapters koran
and the second entry:
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""Canon Sell in "The Historical Development of the Qur’an", page 204, details that Jalalu-d-Din as-Syuti (a great Muslim Qur’anic scholar) lists chapter 9 second to last, and Sir William Muir (a great Western Islamic scholar) lists chapter 9 as last.
ALL of the above-mentioned references also list chapter 5 near the chronological end, if not at the very end.
The Hadith of Sahih Bukhari, volume 6, book 60, # 129 (or 5.59.650), Hadith states: "The last Sura that was revealed was Bara’a…" So Sura 9 was considered by him to be one of the last, if not the last revealed chapters of the Qur’an.
Therefore, the works of six top scholars, (3 Muslim, 3 Western), ALL agree that chapter 9 is either the last or second to last chapter to be spoken or revealed by Muhammad..."
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/Peaseforeve60415p2.htm
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Continuing from that same link:
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"....According to this doctrine, certain passages of the Koran are abrogated by verses revealed afterward, with a different or contrary meaning.
This was supposedly taught by Muhammad himself, at Sura 2, verse 105: 'Whatever verses we cancel or cause you to forget, we bring a better or its like.' …Now we can see how useful and convenient the doctrine of abrogation is in bailing scholars out of difficulties- though, of course,
it does pose problems for apologists of Islam, since all the passages preaching tolerance are found in Meccan (i.e., early suras), and all the passages recommending killing, decapitating and maiming, the so-called Sword Verses are Medinan (i.e., later); ‘tolerance’ has been abrogated by ‘intolerance’. For, the famous Sword verse,
Sura 9, verse 5, 'Slay the idolaters wherever you find them,' is claimed to have Canceled 124 verses that promote tolerance and patience...."
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Instead of holding you breath, use your brain.
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