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Old 05-28-2008, 08:27 AM
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How about we just stop using oil and switch to electricty? Honestly, should we invite more terrorists attacks and wars in the Middle East so that a small cabal of oil companies can profit? Or should we eliminate those threats at the root cause?
Great idea, just switch out the entire US fleet of 500,000 vehicles to electricty. Let's see, the technology isn't available to do it, the batteries needed to do it would make the storage problems associated with Nuclear waste look like a kindergarten math tests and to get that far you'd have to spend 25 years in court to get past the environmentalist. Who would most certainly sue the manufacturers of the electrical systems for money to clean up the landfills where a billion batteries would be leaching toxic material (keep in mind that a discarded diaper is toxic waste to those people) into Mother Earth.

I like the idea of Electric vehicles, but the infrastructure is simply not there yet and to get there you will have to silence the enviro-whacko socialists.

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No, the rule would be that if it affects our economy and our people to the extent that gas prices are, the government must step in.
Fantastic government control over everything that private industry comes up with that we need. Remind me never to invent the next great revolution in transportation because some socialist like yourself will come along and confiscate it.

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As they did with the Bell companies, Microsoft and Enron.
MaBell was a monopoly, and microsoft was engaging in anti-trust stuff, neither of the scenarios ring true with the oil industry. Furthermore you still fail to address any of the points I make about oil company profits/profit margins and continue to spout the same anti-capitalist rhetoric about class warfare.

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Government is meant to help the common man. I don't see where these "new" conservatives come up with the socialistic comparisons.
I'm not sure where you got that first idea but it sure didn't come from the constitution. Secondly if it looks like a socialist, acts like a socialist it must be a socialist.

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I don't think any democrat wishes for a socialistic society
Except for Maxine Waters whos actions started this thread.

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, but isn't true capitalism just a system where the rich get richer and the poor stay poor?
No actually it isn't, it is a system where free citizen can engage in the free market without the contraints of government affecting prices on said market.

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Oh, I forgot about the .001% exception when a poor person is lucky enough to escape poverty through your so called "American dream".
When you down it's hard to get up, there is no doubt. But with great sacrifice and hard work come greater reward, an adage i fear too many Americans have abandoned in favor of the nanny state giving them everything they need.
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Naitonalizing the OIL companies would not only be contrary to the very basic economic foundations of the United States system but it would also be about as bright as raising Taxes when the economy is just managing to stay out of a Recession.



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I believe that oil should be nationalized and its not doubt about that. Oil is one of the most important resources to the survival of the United States, we don't need capitalist who don't care about America, but about profit, beating American citizens out of every dollar. Some things just simply can not be capitalized. Imagine a capitalized military, that would be a disaster. A good example would be Black waters. Somethings should not be put into the hands of those who don't care about America.

The question that should be asked when people bring up Castro and Stalin when referring to nationalization is firstly, would you rather have elected official who rely on your vote have democratic control over resources important to our survival, or would you rather have a small group of investors who only interest and intentions are to make profit. Complete nationalism should be opposed, not nationalism of an important resource which is mismanaged and tearing a whole in the pockets of middle class citizens while the big boys make record high profits. Capitalism and Nationalism can work effectively together. Our emergency services (police, fire department, ambulance) are nationalized because it is important. Everything should not be capitalized, it would cause chaos.
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Can anyone give us an example of a government run "business" that turns a profit?

How about a government program that actually solves a problem... do we "gots" any of those?

Nationalizing the oil industry is simply creating another government boondoggle where the tax payer... that's us in case you forgot... will be left holding the bill for yet another failing industry. Anyone tired of that yet?

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Can anyone give us an example of a government run "business" that turns a profit?

How about a government program that actually solves a problem... do we "gots" any of those?

Nationalizing the oil industry is simply creating another government boondoggle where the tax payer... that's us in case you forgot... will be left holding the bill for yet another failing industry. Anyone tired of that yet?

I know I am.
I can say that if the Corps were a civilian corporation, we would have gone out of business a long frigging time ago.
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I can say that if the Corps were a civilian corporation, we would have gone out of business a long frigging time ago.
I'd think it'd be obvious that military and police forces are nonprivatizeable because they have no means of generating income. Same goes for road creation and repair, if taxes weren't levied for such things, they couldn't exist.
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I'd think it'd be obvious that military and police forces are nonprivatizeable because they have no means of generating income. Same goes for road creation and repair, if taxes weren't levied for such things, they couldn't exist.
Oh I was just speaking on how we waste more money than any corporation in the world.

I was not talking about the inability to bring in money, just how we spend it.
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