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Actually there has never been a general consensus on exactly what "Fascism" is because when you try to generalize it, it simply becomes either Socialism or totalitarianism. However Fascism is in a very perculiar middle ground that incorporates both.
That is why there has never been a general concensus of the definition of fascism.

Fascism IS Socialism, distinct ONLY in its focus on the nation which it has infected. Given that the history is written in large measure by socialists and that fascism caused world wide destruction and the deaths of over one hundred million people as a result of the war waged to stop it, the ideological left has gone to extrordinary efforts to obscure the issue.

In short the reason that fascism, an oterwise incredibly simple notion, is so thoroughly 'misunderstood,' is that te ideological left WANTS IT TO BE MISUNDERSTOOD.

There is nothing complex about fascism. It's not some calculus in search of the answers to all questions through the ages. It's national SOCIALISM. Socialism designed to infect a NATION. And there is nothing more simple than socialism.
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If you want to know how far the liberal academics have gone to put fascism on the right side of the spectrum, look at the characterization of the right wing that my political science text book has:

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And a belief that war is good. (Political Ideologies: Their Origins and Impact, Ninth Edition, Leon P. Baradat)
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That is why there has never been a general concensus of the definition of fascism.

Fascism IS Socialism, distinct ONLY in its focus on the nation which it has infected. Given that the history is written in large measure by socialists and that fascism caused world wide destruction and the deaths of over one hundred million people as a result of the war waged to stop it, the ideological left has gone to extrordinary efforts to obscure the issue.

In short the reason that fascism, an oterwise incredibly simple notion, is so thoroughly 'misunderstood,' is that te ideological left WANTS IT TO BE MISUNDERSTOOD.

There is nothing complex about fascism. It's not some calculus in search of the answers to all questions through the ages. It's national SOCIALISM. Socialism designed to infect a NATION. And there is nothing more simple than socialism.
For someone that seems to "understand" the simplicities of these governments and economic systems, you do make it really hard on me not to question your own knowledge of these political/economic/social entities.

And since you are preoccupied with pointing out the wide-spread liberal conspiracy for what it is, then I will try to refrain from discussing this topic too much since I think its an absurd and inane commentary on your view of the world.

However, your generalization of fascism is a bit too simplistic for me. Fascism is complicated because it is a system of government not some soundbite that can be driven home like "FACISM IS SOCIALISM." No system of government is simple. If you want to simplify organizations of MILLIONS of people, then go ahead, and the point of logical debate will be over.

No one ever said Facism isn't a brand of socialism, and anyone that does is an idiot. However to classify it as JUST socialism simplifies the types of governments enacted in Spain, Italy (before and after the war), Germany, and argentina and many of the other nations it has been found in.

However socialism is a term for an economic system and what role the state plays in the overall economy. It says NOTHING about how the government is run except that it is the main controller of economic affairs. Just like capitalism doesn't describe the United States government, but it identifies that the economy is free from government intervention (supposedly).

So of course Fascism incorporates socialism (it's in the title DUH! kind of arguments are not needed). However to describe Fascism as JUST socialism doesn't explain how the government functions in regard to social and political issues. Is it democratic? Is it totalitarian? Is it an oligarchy? Well since Socialism can be ALL of those things (just look at the wide variety that have existed from the USSR to Bolivia) we can correctly assume that Fascism is specifically one type of government.

Fascism is a totalitarian government that maintains power through military-imposed might and a government that has a leader of demagogue-like qualities that uses nationalistic fervor to bolster support. So it does exert some right-wing characteristics that are based off of ideological superiority and nationalism. However we can't obscure its left-wing policies of socialism. Its more complicated than the black-and-white picture you previously portrayed.
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