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Old 06-02-2008, 04:15 AM
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Oh Boy here we go. Election time right around the corner and here it comes again. Their in their final trawls again. CIA Says Al Qaeda is essentially defeated! That’s real easy since they never existed in the first place in Iraq. You had a band of insurgents that we labeled Al Qaeda for the Verbage effect when things became grim in Iraq (Troop deaths and Terrorism on the population). A lot of people forget what was going on during the infamous "Al Qaeda’s in Iraq now" period.
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That’s real easy since they never existed in the first place in Iraq.
What is actually simple is the minds of the people who keep repeating this nonsense no matter how many times they've been shown proof and evidence to the contrary.

But your probably one of those that think all 'facts' that don't agree with your perspective are made up.

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U.S. Cites Big Gains Against Al-Qaeda
Group Is Facing Setbacks Globally, CIA Chief Says
The U.S. government doesn't want to capture Bin Laden or stop Al-Qaeda. They want a perpetual war on terror so they can keep frightening the populace and keep stealing their liberties.

Proof? Here's the proof:

Mid-November 2001: Afghan Politician Says US Policy Prevented Bin Laden Capture

Ismail Khan. [Source: US Navy]Independent warlord Ismail Khan’s troops and other Northern Alliance fighters are reportedly ready to take back Pashtun areas from Taliban control at this time. Khan, former and future governor of Herat province and one of Afghanistan’s most successful militia leaders, later maintains that “we could have captured all the Taliban and the al-Qaeda groups. We could have arrested Osama bin Laden with all of his supporters.” [USA Today, 1/2/2002] However, according to Khan, his forces hold back at the request of the US, who allegedly do not want the non-Pashtun Northern Alliance to conquer Pashtun areas. (SO WE CAN KILL THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS AND TAKE TERRITORY IN IRAQ, BUT WE CAN'T DARE DO THIS IN PASHTUN?????......YEAH RIGHT.) British newspapers at the time report bin Laden is surrounded in a 30-mile area, but the conquest of Kandahar takes weeks without the Northern Alliance (see November 25, 2001). However, more reliable reports place bin Laden near Tora Bora by mid-November (see November 13, 2001). [CNN, 11/18/2001]

Lots of information here. It goes on and on and points to either criminal negligence or purposeful deception.
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That's good, since al qaeda wasn't even in Iraq before the Dumb War.



Also not surprising, since the terror network's nervous system is based in Afghanistan.


Note that "on the defensive" does not mean "essentially defeated."

Your title is misleading.
They were in Afghanistan though Junior! Remember W went in and kicked them out!

But I am sure you don't want to talk about anything positive Bush has done.
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Oh Boy here we go. Election time right around the corner and here it comes again. Their in their final trawls again. CIA Says Al Qaeda is essentially defeated! That’s real easy since they never existed in the first place in Iraq. You had a band of insurgents that we labeled Al Qaeda for the Verbage effect when things became grim in Iraq (Troop deaths and Terrorism on the population). A lot of people forget what was going on during the infamous "Al Qaeda’s in Iraq now" period.
And you claim to have this knowledge exactly how? You are an example of what is wrong with Democrats today! Always want to think the worst of their country. Must be a low self esteem issue!
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And you claim to have this knowledge exactly how? You are an example of what is wrong with Democrats today! Always want to think the worst of their country. Must be a low self esteem issue!
Penis envy - I don't know if I can say that.

They only think the worst if they think it will get them power.
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They were in Afghanistan though Junior! Remember W went in and kicked them out!
Bush held back, as has already been shown to be true. I defy any of you Neocons to refute any of this:

You can see an interview with Seymour Hersh on Bin Laden's escape


Here's more:

Early November 2001: Al-Qaeda Convoy Flees Kabul
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"Many locals in Afghanistan reportedly witness a remarkable escape of al-Qaeda forces from Kabul around this time. One local businessman says, “We don’t understand how they weren’t all killed the night before because they came in a convoy of at least 1,000 cars and trucks. It was a very dark night, but it must have been easy for the American pilots to see the headlights. The main road was jammed from eight in the evening until three in the morning.” This convoy was thought to have contained al-Qaeda’s top officials [London Times, 7/22/2002]"

November 13, 2001: Al-Qaeda Convoy Flees to Tora Bora; US Fails to Attack
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"Bin Laden gave a speech in front of about 1,000 supporters on November 10, 2001 in the town of Jalalabad, Afghanistan. [Christian Science Monitor, 3/4/2002] On the night of November 13, a convoy of 1,000 or more al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters escapes from Jalalabad and reaches the fortress of Tora Bora after hours of driving and then walking. Bin Laden is believed to be with them, riding in one of “several hundred cars” in the convoy. The US bombs the nearby Jalalabad airport, but apparently does not attack the convoy. [Christian Science Monitor, 3/4/2002; Knight Ridder, 10/20/2002] The Northern Alliance captures Jalalabad the next day. [Sydney Morning Herald, 11/14/2001]"

"November 14-25, 2001: US Secretly Authorizes Airlift of Pakistani and Taliban Fighters

At the request of the Pakistani government, the US secretly allows rescue flights into the besieged Taliban stronghold of Kunduz, in Northern Afghanistan, to save Pakistanis fighting for the Taliban (and against US forces) and bring them back to Pakistan. Pakistan’s President “Musharraf won American support for the airlift by warning that the humiliation of losing hundreds—and perhaps thousands—of Pakistani Army men and intelligence operatives would jeopardize his political survival.” [New Yorker, 1/21/2002] Dozens of senior Pakistani military officers, including two generals, are flown out. [NOW with Bill Moyers, 2/21/2003] In addition, it is reported that the Pakistani government assists 50 trucks filled with foreign fighters to escape the town. [New York Times, 11/24/2001] Many news articles at the time suggest an airlift is occurring. [Independent, 11/16/2001; New York Times, 11/24/2001; BBC, 11/26/2001; Independent, 11/26/2001; Guardian, 11/27/2001; MSNBC, 11/29/2001] Significant media coverage fails to develop, however. The US and Pakistani governments deny the existence of the airlift. [US Department of State, 11/16/2001; New Yorker, 1/21/2002] On December 2, when asked to assure that the US did not allow such an airlift, Rumsfeld says, “Oh, you can be certain of that. We have not seen a single—to my knowledge, we have not seen a single airplane or helicopter go into Afghanistan in recent days or weeks and extract people and take them out of Afghanistan to any country, let alone Pakistan.” [MSNBC, 4/13/2003]"

He lied.

Mid-November 2001: Afghan Politician Says US Policy Prevented Bin Laden Capture

Ismail Khan. [Source: US Navy]Independent warlord Ismail Khan’s troops and other Northern Alliance fighters are reportedly ready to take back Pashtun areas from Taliban control at this time. Khan, former and future governor of Herat province and one of Afghanistan’s most successful militia leaders, later maintains that “we could have captured all the Taliban and the al-Qaeda groups. We could have arrested Osama bin Laden with all of his supporters.” [USA Today, 1/2/2002] However, according to Khan, his forces hold back at the request of the US, who allegedly do not want the non-Pashtun Northern Alliance to conquer Pashtun areas. (SO WE CAN KILL THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS AND TAKE TERRITORY IN IRAQ, BUT WE CAN'T DARE DO THIS IN PASHTUN?????......YEAH RIGHT.) British newspapers at the time report bin Laden is surrounded in a 30-mile area, but the conquest of Kandahar takes weeks without the Northern Alliance (see November 25, 2001). However, more reliable reports place bin Laden near Tora Bora by mid-November (see November 13, 2001). [CNN, 11/18/2001]

Lots of information here. It goes on and on and points to either criminal negligence or purposeful deception.
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