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There's a good chance I'll vote for Obama: I caucused for him. The one major issue that hangs me up with him is immigration policy regarding illegal aliens; I think his policy is bad enough that I would consider voting for McCain because I'm more aligned with his policy. According to you, Superbad, and Kenny, that makes me a racist. The truth of the matter is that it has everything to do with Obama's policy and nothing to do with the color of his skin. Instead of being realistic about that reality, you guys are trying to paint me as a racist.

Obama supports granting driver's licenses to illegals. In my opinion as a voter, that idea is a perversion of justice and no matter how hard I try to see the logic in it, I can't.

McCain: "Our proposal is basically you can get a tamper-proof visa after your job has been proven that it cannot be filled by an American citizen. ... What do you do with the 11 million people that are already here? ... Make them earn citizenship because they have broken our laws. My friends, thats not amnesty. Amnesty is forgiveness. We're not forgiving anything."

Again McCain: Border security is the "first and foremost priority."

McCain's position is much closer to my own, so I would consider voting for him because immigration affects me more than any other issue that is being discussed. Somehow that makes me a racist? As I said, Superbad's contention that any democrat who votes for McCain over Obama is automatically a racist is so simplistic it hardly deserves a response.

You stated 1 stance with his overall policy (immigration) that you disagree with... that would lead you to vote for McCain. Fair...

Now, how many issues do you have with McCains policy? Obviously, (since you caucused for Obama) you prefer Barack moreso than McCain... which leads me to logically assume you have more issues with McCains policy than Obamas. Would you be willing to sacrifice the multiple issues you have with McCains policy over the one you have with Obamas? If so... then the reasoning behind your judgement (rightfully so) should be called into question.

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Please show me where I said if you vote against Sen. Obama, you are a racist? You have pretty much stated your reason for not voting for him, I can respect that. Now lets flip the coin, you have seen some on here say, "I am not voting for him because he and his wife are racist." Now when you ask them to show you how is he a racist all you get is a blank page. Those are the folks I am talking about.

LOL, I don't think its the best thing to do either, but they are driving anyway.

McCain: "Our proposal is basically you can get a tamper-proof visa after your job has been proven that it cannot be filled by an American citizen. ... What do you do with the 11 million people that are already here? ... Make them earn citizenship because they have broken our laws. My friends, thats not amnesty. Amnesty is forgiveness. We're not forgiving anything."

Again McCain: Border security is the "first and foremost priority."

McCain's position is much closer to my own, so I would consider voting for him because immigration affects me more than any other issue that is being discussed. Somehow that makes me a racist? As I said, Superbad's contention that any democrat who votes for McCain over Obama is automatically a racist is so simplistic it hardly deserves a response.[/quote]

No my contention is if you are a Diehard Sen. Clinton supporter Sen. Obama's policies are alot closer to hers than Sen. McCain's are.

Also do you think that if Sen. Clinton would have won the nomination that the people that voted for Sen. Obama wouldn't be jumping on the Clinton Bandwagon?

BTW many of the Sen. Clinton fans that are talking about voting for Sen. McCain are voting against Sen. Obama for that very reason. Sorry but that is just the reality of it.


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Obviously not all issues are created equal. There is no reason to call my judgment into question based exclusively on the number of issues I have with a certain candidate without regard for how strongly I feel about those issues. That makes no sense.

You've stated that a Clinton supporter who votes for McCain over Obama has no reasonable reason to do so other than racism. Maybe I misunderstood you, but here are your words:


Yeah I just don't understand the logic there at all.


That's fine in principle. The reality is that as much as the media and the candidates want to paint themselves as substantially different from one another, they really aren't that far apart on 90% of the issues, which is why I'm pretty comfortable with any of them and am having to make a fairly arbitrary judgment based less on issues and more on who I think will pick the smartest cabinet, who's vision I find inspiring, etc..

Yeah, I do. I think the party would unify for the most part behind either of them given some time and the polarizing nature of the campaigns and debates.