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I have noticed that No matter what the crime. The label of muslim is always mentioned. Even when the crime has no religious motivation.

Around 50% or more people in the U.S. claim Christianity as their religion. But I never see the label of Christian Man added to the criminals resume.

Even Timmothy McVeigh wasn't refered to as a Christian Bomber. Even though he was Catholic and was a member of a radical Christian Church.
I regret to inform you that we are all painfully aware that nothing you say has even the slightest iota of truth.

John Muhammad, the "Beltway Sniper", wasn't identified as a Muslim, either, even though he was a fan of Osama bin Laden and al Qaida.

Timothy McVeigh was originally a Catholic who lost touch with religion and became a self-described agnostic. He also was a fan of the Turner Diaries, the handbook of the white supremacy movement, and the basis of his motivations.

Attempting to propogate anti-Christian sentiment and illusions of Muslim persecution for sympathy using utter fallacies is not effective.

Note that I am not insulting you or Islam. I respect Islam, since I am open-minded. But I am Christian, and I will call out the aspersions you cast upon Christianity under false pretenses every time. Why? Because I am fair.

Propaganda is the tool of tyrannous regimes. I respectfully ask that you ponder that statement before you divulge any more untruths.
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The only reason I think someone would kill for something said is because that person is afraid of what he might hear.
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See here.

The Muhammed cartoon controversy has presumably resulted in the first bombing of a Danish embassy.
I don't believe it. There is no real evidence that this bombing is a result of a cartoon. That is just made up to make it seem that way.
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The Noble Qur'an - Al-A'raf 7:148

And the people of Moses made in his absence, out of their ornaments, the image of a calf (for worship). It had a sound (as if it was mooing). Did they not see that it could neither speak to them nor guide them to the way? They took it for worship and they were Zalimun (wrong-doers).


The Noble Qur'an - Al-Anbiyâ 21:51-54

51. And indeed We bestowed aforetime on Ibrâhim (Abraham) his (portion of) guidance, and We were Well-Acquainted with him (as to his Belief in the Oneness of Allâh, etc.).

52. When he said to his father and his people: "What are these images, to which you are devoted?"

53. They said:"We found our fathers worshipping them."

54. He said: "Indeed you and your fathers have been in manifest error."


Hadith - Bukhari 3:428, Narrated Said bin Abu Al-Hasan

While I was with Ibn 'Abbas a man came and said, "O father of 'Abbas! My sustenance is from my manual profession and I make these pictures." Ibn 'Abbas said, "I will tell you only what I heard from Allah's Apostle . I heard him saying, 'Whoever makes a picture will be punished by Allah till he puts life in it, and he will never be able to put life in it.' " Hearing this, that man heaved a sigh and his face turned pale. Ibn 'Abbas said to him, "What a pity! If you insist on making pictures I advise you to make pictures of trees and any other unanimated objects."


Hadith -Bukhari 4:47, Narrated 'Aisha

I stuffed for the Prophet a pillow decorated with pictures (of animals) which looked like a Namruqa (i.e. a small cushion). He came and stood among the people with excitement apparent on his face. I said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is wrong?" He said, "What is this pillow?" I said, "I have prepared this pillow for you, so that you may recline on it." He said, "Don't you know that angels do not enter a house wherein there are pictures; and whoever makes a picture will be punished on the Day of Resurrection and will be asked to give life to (what he has created)?"


Hadith - Bukhari 4:448, Narrated Abu Talha

I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)."


Hadith -Bukhari 5:338, Narrated Ibn Abbas

Abu Talha, a companion of Allah's Apostle and one of those who fought at Badr together with Allah's Apostle told me that Allah's Apostle said. "Angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture." He meant the images of creatures that have souls.
Highly entertaining stuff, for sure, but in what way does it adress the link I provided? Or the questions I asked?
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This cartoon thing was what, two years ago? Took them long enough to retaliate, then.
There is a depressing story behind this, involving Imams in Denmark, not being satisfied that no uproar occured in Islamic countries after the first publishing of muhammed pictures, going on a tour of these Islamic countries spreading misinformation to try and get the masses stirred, which is, as I said, just too depressing to relate.
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Thank you for your support Makedde.

There is a war against Muslims and Islam.

Muslims are attacked and slaughtered everyday in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistain, Somalia, and other countries. We are used to presecution.

But when people defile and slander our beloved Prophet. It is just too much and requires a response.
There is no war against Muslims or Islam. There is only a war against fanatic terrorists performing terrorism in the name of Islam.

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There is no war against Muslims or Islam. There is only a war against fanatic terrorist performing terrorism in the name of Islam.
Hear, hear.

Muslims need to get off the soap box and stop pretending that every bad thing that happens to them is the result of a holy war by Christians and Jews against them. At the same time, however, Americans need to realize that "Islam" is not perpetrating these terrorist activities. It is extremist Muslims who do not represent the greater Muslim populace. Much work to be done on both sides.
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Hear, hear.

Muslims need to get off the soap box and stop pretending that every bad thing that happens to them is the result of a holy war by Christians and Jews against them. At the same time, however, Americans need to realize that "Islam" is not perpetrating these terrorist activities. It is extremist Muslims who do not represent the greater Muslim populace. Much work to be done on both sides.
And where are these moderate Muslim organizations? One has been established here in Denmark, but it is the only one I know of. Where are the balls of the moderate Muslims elsewhere?
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And where are these moderate Muslim organizations? One has been established here in Denmark, but it is the only one I know of. Where are the balls of the moderate Muslims elsewhere?
They're out there--I know several non-Arab Muslims that detest what is being done in their religion's name--but balls? I don't think so. Or they'd have denounced this extremist terrorist bull(*)(*)(*)(*) long ago. They're the ones who can stop this War on Terror--to let their voices be heard about arbitrary violence, the use of suicide bombers, etc.
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They're out there--I know several non-Arab Muslims that detest what is being done in their religion's name--but balls? I don't think so. Or they'd have denounced this extremist terrorist bull(*)(*)(*)(*) long ago. They're the ones who can stop this War on Terror--to let their voices be heard about arbitrary violence, the use of suicide bombers, etc.
Exactly. They are the ones who can stop this. And yet they seem unable to form organizations to that intent, despite having every reason to do so.

It is incredibly frustrating and very hard to understand.
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