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Originally Posted by ashleykennedy";p="
Just because you think that Iran is not allowed to have any national interests is not going to make it so.
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Originally Posted by MenB";p="
Do you have any idea what you're talking about, or are you just spewing up random comments in order to appear intelligent? I stated what Iran's interests were (they are the same basic interests as every other nation on Earth) and in response you say that I think Iran has no interests?
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Irans national interest is primarily security.
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Originally Posted by ashleykennedy";p="
Attacking an enemy in any way possible especially with well tried successful tactics??
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Originally Posted by MenB";p="
So, what you're saying is that if Iran employs guerrilla tactics against an American aerial campaign, they will be successful? Do you even realise how absurd that is? What are they going to do: hide half a million soldiers with AK-47s among civilians and try shoot down an F-22 Raptor?
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Almost as absurd as flying 2 air liners into the twin towers? The target would not be an F-22. Note Iraq not many F-22 get shot at in Iraq but the US is not winning. F-22 capabilities are not in equestion, the strategy is.
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Originally Posted by ashleykennedy";p="
I also noticed that the US are not winning, even with an enormous naval deployment in the Persian gulf, in Iraq just losing slowly. And I noticed Turkey getting sucked in to the Kurdish region.
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Originally Posted by MenB";p="
Did you also notice that has no relevance at all to the topic we're discussing, or did that escape you?
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Turkey is part of Europe. Turkey and Iran share a border along the West Azerbaijan of Iran and Eastern Anatolia of Turkey. The Kurds of Iraq are being supplied with material that is the same chemical compound as that found in use by hezbollah. From the aforementioned it can be found that it is to late. The capability of Iran to retaliate is very large. Larger than the capability of a F-22.
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Originally Posted by ashleykennedy";p="
Yep Iran has got the retaliatory stikes by surrogate hezbollah.
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Originally Posted by MenB";p="
Hezbollah is a bug. Israel employed around 5% of its military and airforce in the previous war. If it comes down to a Mid-East war, you can rest assured Hezbollah will be devastated by the end of it.
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Yeah right. You just dream on.
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Originally Posted by ashleykennedy";p="
Well I'm looking out for my interests.
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Originally Posted by MenB";p="
That's nice, but again, not relevant in a political discussion in which we must consider the interests of the nations involved. I don't see what bearing your interests have on the decisions made by the United States or Iran.
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That's nice to know that the interests of citizens of states have no relationship to the national interests of a Democracy. That's like saying that people in a democracy don't have democratic rights. You know little things like FREEDOM of SPEECH.
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Originally Posted by ashleykennedy";p="
So first you need a Democratic Iran before bombing it.
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Originally Posted by MenB";p="
Is that what I said? Nope.
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Did I say you said that; no.
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Originally Posted by MenB";p="
The Iranian government WOULD NOT BE TOPPLED BY AN AMERICAN BOMBING CAMPAIGN, BECAUSE AMERICA HAS NO INTEREST IN TOPPLING THE IRANIAN REGIME (I bolded that to make sure you don't miss it this time). What I said was that the campaign needs to be relatively quick so as to cause minimal civilian casualties among Iranians.
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Originally Posted by ashleykennedy";p="
You might want a quick war but Iran may have other plans.
Someone who doesn't take the plans and abilities of their enemy into account is call "the loser".
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Originally Posted by MenB";p="
The war can be as long as it wants (I'm assuming you're referring to a greater Mid-East war), but as long as the American operation itself is short it will have the support of the pro-Western youth.
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I wasn't talking of a Greater Mid-East War but with Iraq Afghanistan Pakistan borders and Turkey it might as well be if you add Iran.
It won't be short. And using the Follow the Flag principle the Youth will be pro Iranian (assuming you're talking about pro-Western Iranian youth).
If the choice is between accepting Irans ablity to produce Nuclear Arms with which to threaten israel and a greater Middle east war. Then israel can get threatened.