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Old 06-21-2008, 11:37 PM
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Default Hypocracy is not going to win friends in the long run - fact.

We have long fingers pointed at Iran for disregard of international protocols. In 2003 we had the same fingers pointed at Iraq. Maybe rightly so. Iraq was until 2002 in flagrant violation of UN protocols. So are other countries.

Soon UN inspectors will be going into Syria to inspect what might have been a covert nuclear facility.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/200806...a-ca02f96.html

But they believe they have a difficult job facing them. Why? Let's quote the head of the IAEA.

"But the IAEA's chief says there is no evidence Syria had the skills or fuel to run a major nuclear complex, and that a U.S. failure to alert inspectors before Israel's air strike last year would make it hard to verify what the target actually was. But it is doubtful that we will find anything there now, assuming there was anything there in the first place."

Great!! If anyone other than the US or Israel had done this all hell would have broken loose. You think not? OK, imagine Iran bombing the crap out of Israel's nuclear facilities which DO produce plutonium and which DO produce nuclear ordinance and which are also NOT under IAEA monitoring. See what I'm getting at.

What did Tom Casey say of the IAEA's whinging? "The reality here is that there's some pretty strong evidence out there about what Syria was doing." Now where have we heard that before I wonder?

So when the Arabs (and Iran) say that they are being discriminated against, we might start to understand what they mean. And we might start to understasnd that ofter 60 years they are getting mightily brassed off.

Hypocracy is not going to win friends in the long run - fact.
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We have long fingers pointed at Iran for disregard of international protocols. In 2003 we had the same fingers pointed at Iraq. Maybe rightly so. Iraq was until 2002 in flagrant violation of UN protocols. So are other countries.

Soon UN inspectors will be going into Syria to inspect what might have been a covert nuclear facility.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/200806...a-ca02f96.html

But they believe they have a difficult job facing them. Why? Let's quote the head of the IAEA.

"But the IAEA's chief says there is no evidence Syria had the skills or fuel to run a major nuclear complex, and that a U.S. failure to alert inspectors before Israel's air strike last year would make it hard to verify what the target actually was. But it is doubtful that we will find anything there now, assuming there was anything there in the first place."

Great!! If anyone other than the US or Israel had done this all hell would have broken loose. You think not? OK, imagine Iran bombing the crap out of Israel's nuclear facilities which DO produce plutonium and which DO produce nuclear ordinance and which are also NOT under IAEA monitoring. See what I'm getting at.

What did Tom Casey say of the IAEA's whinging? "The reality here is that there's some pretty strong evidence out there about what Syria was doing." Now where have we heard that before I wonder?

So when the Arabs (and Iran) say that they are being discriminated against, we might start to understand what they mean. And we might start to understasnd that ofter 60 years they are getting mightily brassed off.

Hypocracy is not going to win friends in the long run - fact.
When was the last time or anytime for that matter a person from the the US or Israel strapped a bomb in their chest and blew up a bunch of innocent people? It's pretty hard to take any people, like they have a sane brain in their heads when they do crazy stuff like that, but were just suppose to trust folks that blow up their own peoples with suicide bombs with nuclear weapons? The only thing crazier than they are would be to trust them with anything more potent than a cap gun.
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We have long fingers pointed at Iran for disregard of international protocols.
Now that you mention it, the finger I'm pointing at Ahmadinejad IS the longest on my hand.

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In 2003 we had the same fingers pointed at Iraq. Maybe rightly so. Iraq was until 2002 in flagrant violation of UN protocols. So are other countries.
Mine is seemingly infatigable.

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Soon UN inspectors will be going into Syria to inspect what might have been a covert nuclear facility.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/200806...a-ca02f96.html

But they believe they have a difficult job facing them. Why? Let's quote the head of the IAEA.

"But the IAEA's chief says there is no evidence Syria had the skills or fuel to run a major nuclear complex, and that a U.S. failure to alert inspectors before Israel's air strike last year would make it hard to verify what the target actually was. But it is doubtful that we will find anything there now, assuming there was anything there in the first place."
and the fact the Syrians, themselves, are so hush hush about it means.....? Come on, I think you may be able to figure it out if you can only pull yourself away from counterpunch for a second. Here, let me make it easier for you. If Syria were innocent, how do you think they would proceed? How wold they proceed if guilty?


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Great!! If anyone other than the US or Israel had done this all hell would have broken loose. You think not? OK, imagine Iran bombing the crap out of Israel's nuclear facilities which DO produce plutonium and which DO produce nuclear ordinance and which are also NOT under IAEA monitoring. See what I'm getting at.
What you are getting at is obvious by your posting history. No great surprise there.

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What did Tom Casey say of the IAEA's whinging? "The reality here is that there's some pretty strong evidence out there about what Syria was doing." Now where have we heard that before I wonder?
in your head? Just taking a stab, there.


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So when the Arabs (and Iran) say that they are being discriminated against, we might start to understand what they mean. And we might start to understasnd that ofter 60 years they are getting mightily brassed off.
yeah, and all they are doing is spouting their genocidal hatred night and day, talking about pushing Israel into the sea, speculating on nuking Israel if they do achieve nuclear capability and waging constant war by proxy. Nothing to see there, folks, just move along and repeat the mantra about those poor Arabs (and Iranians).

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No it won't.
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When was the last time or anytime for that matter a person from the the US or Israel strapped a bomb in their chest and blew up a bunch of innocent people?
What does it matter what method you use to kill innocents?

It seems that you are saying that US/Israeli methods of killing innocents is OK, but the Palestinian method is not. Do I read that correctly?
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What does it matter what method you use to kill innocents?

It seems that you are saying that US/Israeli methods of killing innocents is OK, but the Palestinian method is not. Do I read that correctly?
Overused liberal moral equivalency #43,289,583,463,624,918,234

The DIFFERENCE is that the Palestinian method is INTENTED TARGETING OF INNOCENTS. US/Israeli do not try to kill innocents.

So the answer is NO, you do not read that correctly. As a matter of fact you couldn't possibly have been more wrong if you actually tried.

Pleas try and keep up will you?

By the way...
In the OP, you misspelled hypocrisy in the title.
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Overused liberal moral equivalency 0000ff]In the OP, you misspelled hypocrisy in the title
It is certainly an overused moral equivalency -- or at least an attempt at such -- but it is not a liberal tendency. It is a radical leftist tendency, a fundamentalist leftist tendency, an Chomskyite tendency, a neomarxist tendency or any other way you might find to designate a certain portion of the hard left, but it sure doesn't come from the liberal sector.

Truth be known, the actual genesis for such a meme lies in the propaganda of Arab and Islamic terrorists, who resort to such foolish equivalencies to try to justify murder. No liberal would fall for such prattle, but there is certainly any number of reactionary people who do. They are to the left what folks like Landover Babtist are to the right, however, so take what they say with a grain of salt.

Weren't you complaining about a poster you felt was trying to pit Americans against each other in another thread? When people who describe themselves as conservative constantly wage war on liberals by painting them according to the most radical among them, that sure strikes me as trying to pit people against one another. Why not reach across the Aisle and find the more moderate liberals instead of trying to paint them all as radicals?
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What does it matter what method you use to kill innocents?

It seems that you are saying that US/Israeli methods of killing innocents is OK, but the Palestinian method is not. Do I read that correctly?
Not hardly, the US and Israel target combatants, while the terrorists target anyone and everyone including children. The terrorists are cowardly and refuse to fight like men and refuse to identify themselves, they hide among the civilians using them as human shields. This unfortunately results in collateral damage of the terrorists making. That's a big difference between walking on to a city bus or into a crowded cafe and blowing up anyone there. A cowardly act for sure.
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If you want true hypocrisy, how about the Islamic radicals who twist the words of the Koran (which clearly discourage the killing of innocents and civilians) in order to justify the grotesque campaigns of attacks on innocent civilians? They somehow try (and fail) to equate the civilians with the enemies of Islam, when the Koranic passage in question clearly implies armed and hostile enemies.

I will horrify the right-wingers by saying that Hamas (Palestinean Islamists) has many good points, such as relative honesty and good works for needy Palestineans. However, Hamas also sees nothing wrong with firing wildly inaccurate homemade rockets almost daily in the vague direction of Israel, virtually guaranteeing that the occasional casualties will be innocent civilians which always provokes a strong response from the Israelis (they're no wusses). Hamas then hypocritically condemn the Israeli response as terrorism against the Palestineans.

Every Palestinean killed as a result of such raids has been killed by Hamas: not by Israel.
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