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Old 11-09-2007, 09:25 AM
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It was shown in court that if a white student and black student had exactly the same test scores and grades, the white student was about 100 times less likely to be admitted than the black student.
Most schools with such point systems also give point boosts to other groups -- like veterans. Do you think those bonus points should be taken away as well?
No - the country is not well served by any irrationality in government. Veterans are owed a reward by our country, which can be and is such things as tuition reimbursement, but it's absurd to pretend they are more competent than they are, which is the essence of "affirmative action".

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Or do you recognize that academic scores are but one measure of a student and a school in search of a well-rounded student body would be poorly served by going on test scores alone?
I think this "well-rounded" stuff is feeble, and it's not a "measure", ie, something that can be objectively quantified. When someone employs a plumber, do they ask if he's "well-rounded", or if he has proof that he's a certified plumber? But it's worse than that, as in the case of the U of M law school, when they used fuzzy, non-quantifiable, subjective criteria - that's exactly how the law school got away with discrimination but the undergraduate school didn't (for a time).

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Instead, O'connor, as she was leaving the USSC, gave young white people a parting gift of reviving the half-dead "affirmative action" frankenstein, and once again ruining the lives of people like Barbara Grutter for the crime of having the wrong skin color - white.
Not getting into the U of M law school ruined her life? Really.
Oh yeah - I see your point. Worked hard in high school, got the grades. Worked hard in university - got the grades. Took the LSAT - scored high. Had the door slammed in her face because she's white, and now she's complaining? B_tchy, b_tchy.

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Here's an excellent, balanced article on the case:
http://docket.medill.northwestern.ed...ves/000696.php
This is the standard academic establishment take on the issue, supporting anti-white discrimination by those who are immune from it themselves.

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Once again, I agree that in the long run race should cease to be a factor in admissions, as we get farther and farther from the economically meaningful discrimination of the past. But in the short-run, it can be a reasonable factor to consider as a school attempts to provide opportunity to groups that have historically had limited opportunity, and to build a student body large and diverse enough to expose its students to viewpoints and issues they may not have encountered before but which they will encounter out in the real world.
Besides regurgitating the meaningless "diversity" notion, you approve a system that discriminates against hard-working, academically achieving economically deprived white students, in favor of middle class so-so black students. You approve a system that penalizes white students who are absolutely not responsible for anything that happened to blacks in the past.
The idea that white students need to be discriminated against so that the ones who do get in can have a "diverse" viewpoint is ridiculous. Do they read the newspapers? Do they watch TV? Do they have internet access? This diversity garbage is just another bogus argument in the long list of bogus arguments the liberal academic establishment has come up with to support their predetermined goal of anti-white discrimination. It obliterates the Equal Protection Clause, one of the most fundamental precepts in the Constitution.
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