McCain and Free Trade - Page 2

Obama2008 · #11 (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Whaler17

So explain his flip flops to us. Come on enlighten us!!!!

1. On the union comments, I will admit that he changed his position. However, the fact that he has still not accepted one dime from PAC or Lobbyists for his campaign reveals that his special interest view still stands and he believes that they should be kept out of the process.

2. Public Financing - as I have said before on this forum, and proven with quotations, not only did Obama follow through with attempting to reach an agreement with the McCain campaign, but that the original goal of public financing is upheld by Obama's donor fundraising. His average donation is less that $100, and that proves that he is staying more true to the public financing goal.

3. Cuba - Obama has agreed to lift portions of the embargo, but not all. His comments have been misrepresented. As CNN outlines:

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Obama called for looser restrictions on travel to Cuba so Cuban-Americans can visit family members relatives as well as allowing larger money transfers to the island, two positions that are popular within the Cuban-American community.

Obama, however, may lose votes among Cuban-Americans if they think he is willing to talk with Raúl Castro, the president of Cuba who recently took over leadership of the island nation from his brother, Fidel Castro.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/...ban.americans/

4. Over time, as the problem of businesses helping contribute to illegal immigration, Obama has altered his view. As he said in that debate, in 2004 in Illinois, the problem was lacking. You and I both know it has gotten worse.

Here is Obama's plan: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pd...nFactSheet.pdf

5. Marijuana - Obama's stance on legalization of the drug has been confused with his belief that penalties are too severe:

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The Washington Times reports that Barack Obama, who told an audience of college students when he was running for the U.S. Senate in 2004 that he favored decriminalizing marijuana, still holds that position, although he opposes complete legalization. According to his campaign, Obama mistakenly raised his hand during a presidential debate last fall when the candidates were asked which of them opposed marijuana decriminalization:

When asked by The Times about decriminalizing marijuana, the Obama campaign reiterated the candidate's opposition to legalization. "Senator Obama does not believe in legalization of marijuana, but agrees with President Bush that long minimum sentences for first-time drug users may not be the best way to occupy jail space or heal people from their disease," Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said.

The campaign went on to say that, as president, Mr. Obama "will review drug sentences to see where we can be smarter on crime and reduce the blind and counterproductive sentencing of non-violent offenders, and revisit instances where drug rehabilitation may be more appropriate." His campaign later stated that Mr. Obama "always" has supported decriminalizing marijuana.

Given what Obama seems to mean by decriminalization, this position is not exactly radical. About a dozen states are said to have decriminalized marijuana, which generally means that possession of small amounts for personal use does not result in arrest and can be punished by a modest fine at worst. Possession is still illegal in almost all of those states, the conspicuous exception being Alaska, where possession of a few ounces in one's home does not trigger any penalty at all. Possessing more than the limit (usually an ounce), growing marijuana, or selling it remain crimes even in so call decrim states.

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/124727.html

All of your claims have been addressed...now do you care to address McCain's failure to allign with the majority of Americans on Free Trade?

Whaler17 · #12 (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Obama2008

1. On the union comments, I will admit that he changed his position. However, the fact that he has still not accepted one dime from PAC or Lobbyists for his campaign reveals that his special interest view still stands and he believes that they should be kept out of the process.

2. Public Financing - as I have said before on this forum, and proven with quotations, not only did Obama follow through with attempting to reach an agreement with the McCain campaign, but that the original goal of public financing is upheld by Obama's donor fundraising. His average donation is less that $100, and that proves that he is staying more true to the public financing goal.

3. Cuba - Obama has agreed to lift portions of the embargo, but not all. His comments have been misrepresented. As CNN outlines:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/...ban.americans/

4. Over time, as the problem of businesses helping contribute to illegal immigration, Obama has altered his view. As he said in that debate, in 2004 in Illinois, the problem was lacking. You and I both know it has gotten worse.

Here is Obama's plan: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pd...nFactSheet.pdf

5. Marijuana - Obama's stance on legalization of the drug has been confused with his belief that penalties are too severe:

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/124727.html

All of your claims have been addressed...now do you care to address McCain's failure to allign with the majority of Americans on Free Trade?

So "they misrepresented what I said" on one and OK he did flip flop on all the others.

OK then!

Obama2008 · #13 (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Whaler17

So "they misrepresented what I said" on one and OK he did flip flop on all the others.

OK then!

Uh, no. You might want to read again.

Whaler17 · #14 (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Obama2008

Uh, no. You might want to read again.

Im sorry I forgot to include the little spins in between!

Obama2008 · #15 (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Whaler17

Im sorry I forgot to include the little spins in between!

You are upset because I proved everyone of your claims wrong. It's okay to admit that.

White Fox · #16 (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 04:53 PM

"51 percent of the Americans questioned view foreign trade as a threat to the economy — the first time in a CNN poll that a majority of respondents report holding negative views on free trade."

51 percent of Americans are.....

TOTAL IDIOTS

rodrigu3 · #17 (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Whaler17

So "they misrepresented what I said" on one and OK he did flip flop on all the others.

OK then!

McCain has flip-flopped far more than Obama has.

rodrigu3 · #18 (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by White Fox

"51 percent of the Americans questioned view foreign trade as a threat to the economy — the first time in a CNN poll that a majority of respondents report holding negative views on free trade."

51 percent of Americans are.....

TOTAL IDIOTS

Free trade is fine. But as it stands now, NAFTA is not good for American laborers. The lack of environmental standards and low standards for working conditions in other countries means less overhead and the outsourcing of jobs.

justabubba · #19 (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 04:59 PM

free trade places our vendors and employees at a competitive disadvantage
let's try fair trade instead

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