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The money changers and those doing business on church property. He did so with whips if I recall.
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That's not torture, it's just a good swift kick in the pants.
Designed to make someone "move", not "talk". |
So----you don't agree with our CIA making terrorists talk, eh? |
I didn't say that.
I just said, I didn't want torture to be "official US national policy", which is what it is right now, under George W Bush. |
No it's not.
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What do you bleeding hearts think the CIA is...and has always been??? It's a SECRET agency, for heaven's sakes.
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Yeah, so secret they're telling us about the torture they're doing.... |
It's only because the libbies best friends....the NYTimes.....was doing a story on it in a few days. Looks like the libbies best friend has a friend in the CIA or perhaps sitting on the Senate Intelligence Committee.
[quote="nonsqtr";p="419775"]Kinda makes you wonder, don't it?
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This is EXACTLY the problem we'll have if a Democrat takes over as President. They are weak----very weak----on national security. And they are SOFT on terrorists and terrorism. Oh....they talked a good game right after 9/11. Then it was...."Get 'em Bush; do whatever it takes to get the guys who did this to our fellow Americans." But now, they've forgotten all about that.
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I dunno about that piece. Admiral James Woolsey was certainly no slouch. He was Clinton's CIA guy, during much of his tenure. He was "very good", certainly one of the best intelligence guys in the US at that time.
[quote] And you have no idea if he ever authorized "harsh" treatment either, do you? AFter all, the liberal press isn't so interested in this kind of stuff when a Dem is at the helm.
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And I mean, of Bushie's people, there's a huge difference between the guy he's got now, Hayden, who's basically one of the most brilliant Poindexters in the whole entire military (he's probably right up there with Admiral Poindexter himself, in terms of sheer mental capability) - Hayden is the complete opposite of a guy like Tenet, who's just basically a useless bureaucratic hack and a gutless yes-man without any semblance of a moral spine - you know, the epitome of a "political" appointee.
So I mean, you know, maybe Bushie is slowly but surely learning his lessons, 'cause I mean, I'd 10,000 times rather see a guy like Hayden in CIA, 'cause a guy like that, I have confidence that he's gonna be "honest" when he's talking to the President. But a guy like Tenet, I have zero confidence in that regard - that kinda guy, I get the gestalt that he's gonna say whatever he thinks will score him the most points at any given moment, and a guy like that, is exactly what I don't want in charge of the most super-secret and super-capable spy agency in the world.
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Bill Clinton named Tenet as CIA Director. Bush made the mistake of keeping him on......in part because many Congress and Senate members asked him to. They thought it would be better for the continuity regarding terrorism. Apparently Bush agreed.
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Same with his new nominee Mukasey, that guy appears to be a completely different animal from that weasel Gonzales. I have no doubt that Bushie is still gonna make him do his bidding, but at least it appears Mukasey has more of a legal "spine" than that jellyfish Speedy G.
But I mean, we had to wait six years for Bushie to get his on-the-job traning and make all the mistakes, right? You know, picking Petraeus was the very last thing he did, and it should have been the first. Oh well.....
But yeah, I'm a lot happier with the way things are going now, even though I can't really forget about what happened these last six years......
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Yeah. Your 20/20 hindsight vision is absolutely GREAT. AFTER you have the privilege of knowing how something turns out, you're pretty much the all-knowing....right?