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Old 12-09-2007, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by proof-hunter";p=&quot View Post
Truth-Bringer,
If Bin Laden admits he caused 9/11
Did he admit that? Because the man on that video in which he allegedly admitted such had noticeably different facial characteristics than Bin Laden in previous videos. To me, the differences are very obvious.

Has anyone ever produced any direct, CREDIBLE evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11? I'm not saying the U.S. planned the attacks by the way - all I'm asking for is evidence that Bin Laden planned it and was the leader of the cell.

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why is it our fault to go
after him and anyone else who gets in our way? how is that
our fault.
So we have the right to invade any nation state in our search for him? And we have the right to kill as many innocent civilians as necessary?

If the police killed 100 people every time they tried to get to one murder suspect, how long do you think they'd keep their jobs? Now, of course you're going to start crying and claim "but international war is different"...blah, blah, blah. It's not different to the families of the innocent people who are killed by U.S. bombs and U.S. soldiers. Of course, you could care less about these people. You must have your vengeance - and to hell with any innocent women or children who get in the way of your blood thirst.



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You think it's because Mr Bin Laden did not like
our help in pushing the USSR out of Afghanistan??
We should have never been giving Mr. Bin Laden any help in the form of weapons. The U.S. created yet another Frankenstein's monster. The CIA created Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. I've already given the details on that.

The Soviets could not have maintained an occupation there regardless. Any communist state is destined to collapse because of the inferior economic system. And war is a great stress on an economy. It was simply cold war paranoia on the part of the U.S. - and it was an incredibly stupid paranoia as a war between the U.S. and U.S.S.R. would have ended with both countries being destroyed.

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Nope, it's because Mr Bin Laden does not want us in their
holy lands, well it's not up to Mr Bin Laden,
It's not just Bin Laden. Millions of Muslims don't want us there. And one need not be elected to be seen as a leader with a voice.

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leaders above
Mr Bin Laden allow us in
And those leaders are corrupt and evil - as I describe in detail here. Their own people hate them. They have no legitimate authority either.

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All this proves that your
thinking like a pin head.
Your "ideas" are completely foolish - and anyone can hear them by listening to Rush Limbaugh on any day of the week. All that proves is that you're thinking like a pill head.

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Mr Bin Laden's animosity should be towards the leaders in
the middle east countries,
He does have animosity towards them. He just can't do anything about it because those leaders are TYRANTS and we are giving them billions of dollars to supress any dissent from their people.

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to convince them to not allow us
to be there.
I fully admit that the Arabs should try and pursue peaceful means. However, the leaders of our "allied countries" in the Middle East are even more apt to violence than the U.S. And the U.S. has said they want Bin Laden "dead or alive." It's not like he has the option of negotiating with those governments now. The U.S. has made its declaration that he is a terrorist - and any government who would negotiate with him at this point would be denounced as sympathizing with terrorists.

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instead he took up his crusade as if Allah gave
him the right.
He took up a crusade because that is his religious belief. I don't agree with it - but he is citing specific reasons as to why he deems it a crusade. He did later offer a truce - again, with specific requests. And again, the U.S. ignores it and continues its involvement in the region.

You fault Bin Laden for not communicating with national leaders - yet he has tried to communicate - and was ignored.

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in fact almost of those Islamic fools use Allah
to justify horrible crimes against innocent people,
And the Jews used religion - Zionism - to claim that land when the majority of Arabs in the region voted against the U.N. partition plan. They incited the majority against them - and their religious desire to have that land is what has sparked the conflict in the region.

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which makes
pin heads like you defend them.
On the contrary, you must try to mischaracterize my position because you cannot handle the truth. Both sides are wrong in this conflict. Bin Laden is not a hero. He is a criminal. But he is a criminal THAT THE U.S. CREATED. And the U.S. could easily end the conflict by leaving the region, but it will not do so - I believe for reasons of ego and arrogance - and a quest to flex an imperial muscle. What your side will NEVER admit is that the U.S. is not blameless in all of this.

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Just my 2 cents.
That wasn't worth 1 cent.
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