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I doubt its effectiveness and I can live all day long with ruining your fun on this one.
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You're not the expert. CIA officials involved say it was quite effective. So, I'll take their word on that point. |
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You're appealing to authority, Mannie (logical fallacy).
"Even if it saves American lives" is the relevant part. He says "no matter what" and that's where he loses me. What if it was a nuke? I take people at their word. Idealism that would rather allow a nuke to hit us than waterboard the guy who can stop it is ridiculous, IMO. Ideals sometimes contradict one another and must be prioritized. The real world may get in the way of ideals.
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Looks like I'm not the only one.
Because no one here has been waterboarded, no one here can reach an opinion without the appeal to authority. Because Kiriakou has been waterboarded and observed its effects and because I'm pretty sure that Bushco has not, I'll take Kiriakou's opinion over Bushco's.
While we're on the subject of fallacies: RE nuke: You're begging the question by assuming what a tortured suspect will tell you is the truth.