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I still don't get why I should be okay with the government (or especially some private phone company) spying on me.
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Becuase the alternative is to put you and your family at risk. Thats why.
Technically speaking though, they are not spying on you.
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Why in the world should I let a phone company spy on me? How is that going to stop terrorism?
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Becuase it will help us to know what they are planning in advance so that we can stop them. That isnt obvious to you?
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Helping the NSA violate the 4th amendment is the right thing?
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Who decided that they violated the 4th Amendment?
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We don't need to believe they are "evil" to want our right to privacy to remain secure.
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National defense supersedes your right to privacy.
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Him: would you rather thousands die again and then you can say, maybe we should monitor overseas calls of terrorists.
Oh look, more fear mongering.
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...until it actually happens again. Then people like you will be screaming "why didnt you do something!!11!1!". Uh-huh. No way to win with you people.
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Oh the poor poor NSA and multibillion dollar telecoms. However will they manage to find a lawyer to represent them? I know what you mean, they truly must be shaking in fear.
...Maybe they should have thought about what they were doing before they violated the publics trust.
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So far it has not been proven that they have violated the public's trust.
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Him: Helping our intelligence agencies counter terrorist actions/people/etc is worth more to me then your sense of well being.
And worth more than our right to privacy apparently.
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Correct. It is more important than your right to talk dirty on the phone.
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Again, I'm no loon. I just value my rights and and wary of unchecked government power, as any patriotic American should be.
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The power is not unchecked. Congress can override the President if they want to. And we elect congress.
The fact that the majority doesnt agree with you does not mean that the power is unchecked.
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No they haven't:
"Because of the nature of the program, the plaintiffs do not allege any specific instance of harm"
None of these people have been targeted. Not one!
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I knew there was a catch.
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Perhaps I should clarify. There are dozens of suits against the government from citizens concerned that their calls have been monitored without a warrant.
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And until at least
one of them is successful, there is no proof of any wrongdoing.
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I think they're spying on me because they keep insisting that they have the right to spy on me
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Incorrect. They are obligated to defend the nation. "Spying" is a means to that end. They only have a "right" to it by proxy.
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This issue is about whether private corporations, when asked by the government to violate the law, must refuse, or take the consequences.
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The premise is incorrect. It has not been proven that what they were asked to do was violating the law.
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The government is essentially saying, they don't have to take the consequences.
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They dont have to take the consequences because they've done nothing wrong in this case. Correct.