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You seem to be throwing stuff against the wall to see if any of it sticks.
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You seem to be dodging my points and questions. No answers for them?
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This topic has many law experts challenging it, and for the most part, they have not made much headway.
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In large part due to the circular problem of "state secrets" and the Justice Depts. unwillingness to cooperate. You do see how its difficult to prove a secret violation of the law if the government keeps it secret?
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So unless you can provide the names of those targeted, and unless you are an expert on constitutional law, your points are nothing but your opinion.
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Since none of us are political experts maybe we should all just close up our browsers and not post again? I may be no expert on the Constitution, but I sure try to have a reasonable understanding as an civic minded citizen should.
The fact still remains that if the NSA is fighting to have the ability to wiretap citizens without warrants and to provide amnesty for telecoms that have helped, it stands to reason that they have, in fact, wiretapped without warrants. That seems pretty simple, even to a lowly non-expert like myself. |
You said in an earlier post that there are many lawsuits PENDING. The word pending means just that. So if you can cite any cases that our government violated their constitutional rights, your point is moot.
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"Perhaps I should clarify. There are dozens of suits against the government from citizens concerned that their calls have been monitored without a warrant".
Again, pending, means nothing, or do you live in a different America?
Everyone has addressed your points, and you claim that rights are being violated, yet you can't cite any. Just because people make claims (those would be the terrorist supporters to you slick) does not make it the truth, so pony up, or find a topic you can credibly argue. |
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You said in an earlier post that there are many lawsuits PENDING. The word pending means just that. So if you can cite any cases that our government violated their constitutional rights, your point is moot.
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I'm all for defending what people write.
Show us where the senate voted to shield wire tap collaborators?
Is that just a ratings "teaser" headline? If so then I'm OK with that.
I'm all for wiretaping, I just think you should be clear in what you say - it's not true - it was a vote to end a possible filibuster.
Also, you are now on record that the Democrats in office are not loony. Do you agree that both parties have "loons" at either end?
There are loony people on the far right who are more afraid of wiretaps than the people on the left - those are the ones who typically form posse's and worry about conspiracy theories.
The rest of us live in the middle.