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Old 12-19-2007, 10:19 AM
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Becuase it will help us to know what they are planning in advance so that we can stop them. That isnt obvious to you?
Listen. No one is saying that terrorists and the like should be put under surveillance. What we are saying is that the government should first obtain a warrant to do it. Its basic checks and balances. Its not hard to do. It prevents abuse of power. It protects the rights of Americans.

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National defense supersedes your right to privacy.
Security supersedes one's rights only when necessary, not whenever its convenient. This is not a case where its anything close to necessary. How is the existing system FISA lays out inadequate?

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So far it has not been proven that they have violated the public's trust.
Proven? Maybe not. One heck of a good chance? Yeap! Why is it so essential that these companies are granted immunity if they are blameless?

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Correct. It is more important than your right to talk dirty on the phone.
I don't think you quite understand the concept of "rights."



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The power is not unchecked. Congress can override the President if they want to. And we elect congress.
The Rockefeller-led Senate Intelligence Committee, within a matter of a day or so, quickly passed the White House's desired bill, one which The New York Times, the next day, revealed had been secretly worked on for months by Rockefeller and, through emissaries, Dick Cheney. As Russ Feingold said yesterday, the Rockefeller proposal passed by the Intelligence Committee "simply gives the Administration everything it was demanding, no questions asked."

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there is no proof of any wrongdoing.
I suppose we'll have to wait and see then.
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