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Old 12-19-2007, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by masterproctor";p=&quot View Post
This type of doll just promotes stereotypes and bigotry against people of Islamic faith.
And..... so what?

You're making the "hate speech" argument, right?

The "inciteful, inflammatory" stuff that's "likely to cause riots", that kinda thing?

Well, how "robust" do you think our concept of "free speech" is?

I mean, right now, I can use the word "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)" in print. There, I just did it. I could say it a million times in a row, and I could even get right into some black person's face and just keep saying it until I get decked..... and you know, the reality of that, is that some people are gonna give me a thumbs-up, but like, 99% of the people out there, aren't gonna want to have anything to do with me after that, right?

But they're not going to arrest me for saying it, are they? Unless I really do, you know, walk right into the middle of the AME Church during Sunday services and really get in someone's face with that kinda stuff, right?

But I mean, "other places in the world", the way they do PC there, is even wierder than the way we do it here. You know, like in Germany and Austria, you can't say that the holocaust never happened. It's a crime, to do that.

But here, I mean, you know, you hear "all the time" about artists that do their little statues of Jesus with the urine, and all that stuff, and I mean, that's "art", right? It's distasteful, for most of us, but it is constitutionally protected.

So I mean, this is kinda how I envisioned this working: you know, "right now", most of those Islamists are "over there", and we're "over here". Well what happens to Nike's? What happens to Coca Cola? All "our" products end up "over there" eventually, right? So, we have, you know, Toys-R-Us or someone, start things off by making a few Mohammed dolls. Nothing "serious", just the dolls. That, in and of itself (we just found out, based on what happened with that teacher in the Sudan), is gonna offend some peoples' sensibilities, right?

But what'll happen then, is that the dolls will gradually find their way overseas, and they'll surreptitiously "infiltrate the society" over there. And how that happens, is, you know, some disgruntled teenager is gonna be checking out what kinds of things he can find on the "black market" in his country, and suddenly, boom, there's a doll, and then he's gonna think to himself, "you know, this is just anti-establishment enough so I can use this for my personal politics", and then pretty soon all his friends are seeing it, and then, you know, maybe one of 'em throws it away and some little three year old kid finds it and takes it home to mommy, and by that time, it doesn't even matter any more - the doll is old and dirty and beat up, and mommy takes a look at it, and it "kinda sorta" looks like Mohammed, but she hasn't heard about all the politics in the US, and she hasn't heard we're trying to organize a concerted propaganda campaign to send "Mohammed dolls" to her country, so.....

You know, and then, pretty soon you've got hundreds of old beat-up "Mohammed dolls" floatin' around in all the Muslim thrift shops and whatever their equivalent of Goodwill is, over there, and then, it's not such a big deal anymore, right? I mean, "here", that would be almost like finding an old copy of the Little Red Book or the Anarchists' Cookbook, at your local Goodwill, yes?

So yes, I fully expect, that the reaction of people "now", would be, that many of them would be offended.

But that was the whole point. The sooner you start de-sensitizing them, the better off you're gonna be. 'Cause if you don't de-sensitize them, then they're gonna be just as sensitive "tomorrow", and then your problem's gonna go on FOREVER, which would be a bad outcome.

So nah, I think we oughta stand up for our principles. Free speech trumps religious belief, EVERY TIME. That's the way it works around here. And I think we oughta show the rest of the world, HOW that works for us, by exercising our free speech rights.

Just like I'm doing now. Bushie is an idiot. There, see? Bushie probably hates my guts right now, but there isn't a (*)(*)(*)(*) thing he can do to me. And I mean, you know, if he wants to shoot me or send his minions to do the same, then someone's gonna know about it, and they're gonna tell you about it.

So yeah, I fully expect some period of tension. I do think though, a little tension is better than "trying to keep the lid on a war".
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