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Old 12-19-2007, 09:59 PM
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Let me "spin" that thought a different way.

Um.... it seems to me, that what's dangerous for We the People, is when things happen like what just happened up in Canada (Toronto? Vancouver?) where a Muslim guy killed his own daughter 'cause she stopped wearing the traditional head-scarf.

That, right there, is where I, "as a citizen", draw the line.

At that point, I'm not interested in your beliefs or sensibilities, I'm just gonna see to it that you're removed from society.

What I'd like to do, is catch you "before" your belief system translates into action that way.

So like, what I'm gonna "try" to do, is talk to you, and then probably in the process of doing that, I'm gonna discover that you're really REALLY pissed about your daughter, and it's because she's offending your sensibilities by wearing blue jeans, or whatever.

And then, that's the crucial moment. 'Cause now, it's a matter of me being able to "explain" it to you, in a way that makes sense to you - in your value system, yes? 'Cause if I can't do that, when we're not gonna be able to communicate, I'm not gonna be able to "deliver" the concept to you. So I'm going to have to "articulate", very carefully, the central concept.

And I mean, I have "lots" of experience in these types of discussions, right? People wanna drag 'em all over the place, you know, you start out talking about head-scarves and pretty soon you're deep into the Quran.

And in the Muslim tradition, you can't start out talking to these people, the same way I'm talking to you now, or the same way I "normally" post on this forum. It just, wouldn't work. It would be "non-operational". And I mean, I can even give you specific examples based on specific historical posts in this forum of exactly why that's true, and examples thereof, with Muslim folks that are actually over in the Middle East somewhere. I can show you the "approach" that worked, and the "approach" that didn't.

But it seems to me, that something like a doll, has a "different" effect, than a face-to-face discussion about logic or philosophy or religion. I mean, it "registers" differently on the mind. So like, you know, it's gonna be that same guy, who's offended by that kind of thing, who's gonna kill his daughter for not wearing the head-scarf. You know, so you gotta design the doll so it doesn't contribute to that kinda thing, right? I mean, this concept, right here, is what I'm talking about when I say it's important to be "smart" about diplomacy, and Bushie is "stupid" that way. You gotta know what that symbolism means in the first place, before you try to use it to change anything. So, you know, if your doll is wearing anything that looks like a Saracen cross, it's not gonna go over too well, right?

So, you know, it's the "hard way", which involves a deep philosophical quagmire which can only be resolved by repeated consultations in the Quran and a personal visit to the Imam, or the "easy way", which involves looking at a doll and getting a gestalt that "this cute friendly little thing can't possibly be dangerous".

Hmm..... make sense? Or am I nuts?
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