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Heck, even without the link it still says the same thing. A "timetable for programming their presence" is the same thing as a "timetable for withdrawal".
If anything, the author of this article is more dishonest for attempting to twist his words into the opposite of his intent.
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Old 07-17-2008, 02:53 AM
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Bummer For Barack... Maliki's Words Misinterpreted-- Does Not Want Timeline For Withdrawal

It's too late for Obama-- His Op-Ed on withdrawing troops from Iraq was already published this morning in The New York Times. Bummer. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/op...prod=permalink

Democrats including Barack Obama were wrong about the Bush Surge in Iraq.
It has been a phenomenal success. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00051



Children play in the street and greet U.S. Soldiers as they pass by during a presence patrol in the Shula District, Baghdad, Iraq, July 7, 2008. The Soldiers are in Alpha Troop, 1st Squadron, 75th Cavalry, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division. Photo by Joint Combat Camera Center Iraq. (MNF-Iraq) http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?op...g2_itemId=5387

Today it was reported that Prime Minister Maliki's comments about the US withdrawing from Iraq were misinterpreted by the media.
It figures.
HotAir and the BBC reported:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/1...s-misreported/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7504571.stm



Mr Maliki's own office had inserted the word "withdrawal" in the written version, replacing the word "presence".
So Maliki is not squeezing US troops out of Iraq after all.
Why is this not surprising?
You'd think just once in 5 years the media would screw up on the side of George Bush.
But, once again, this is not the case.
How do they do it?
How are things in Fallujah? How is Blackwater treating civilians?

There is a difference between peace and fear. Iraq is under siege. The amount of success depends on the state of Iraq after we leave...and Bush is afraid to do that because it will prove that we failed.
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How are things in Fallujah? How is Blackwater treating civilians?

There is a difference between peace and fear. Iraq is under siege. The amount of success depends on the state of Iraq after we leave...and Bush is afraid to do that because it will prove that we failed.
Well lets see here. I have been to Iraq. Everyone that I work with has been to Iraq. Many of my friends have just returned from Iraq. Yet none of them agree with the crap that you are spewing here! So Im going to haft to ask for some proof or experience. None of which you have!
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yes we all can remember all of the veted, experienced generals on the ground in Iraq that were so-called misinterpreted. Throughout the nearly 6year history of Bush's war, certain EXPERIENCED generals in Iraq have spoken up against Bush's policies and what did Bush do?
He interpreted them in a way that he could fire them all, thus squandering (again) all of that military experience and knowledge that only comes with fighting previous battles. For example the first gulf war.
It takes a great amout of time to gain such experience. A resource that Bush again found expendable.
Well Petraeus is the best choice for Commanding General in Iraq. And he replaced George Casey who was promoted to Chief of Staff of the US Army...
And guess what Petraeus has under his belt that makes him the best choice:
-1995, assigned to the United Nations Mission in Haiti Military Staff as its Chief Operations Officer during Operation Uphold Democracy.
-1999, deployed to Kuwait as part of Operation Desert Spring.
-2001–2002, ten-month tour in Bosnia-Herzegovina as part of Operation Joint Forge. Was the NATO Stabilization Force Assistant Chief of Staff for Operations and the Deputy Commander of the U.S. Joint Interagency Counter-Terrorism Task Force in Bosnia.
-2003, Petraeus led his division through fierce fighting south of Baghdad, in Karbala, Hilla, and Najaf.
-In Mosul, Petraeus and the 101st employed classic counterinsurgency methods to build security and stability, including conducting targeted kinetic operations and using force judiciously, jump-starting the economy, building local security forces, staging elections for the city council within weeks of their arrival, overseeing a program of public works, reinvigorating the political process, and launching 4,500 reconstruction projects.
"It's widely accepted that no force worked harder to win Iraqi hearts and minds than the 101st Air Assault Division led by Petraeus."
-2004, became the first commander of the Multi-National Security Transition Command Iraq. This newly-created command had responsibility for training, equipping, and mentoring Iraq's growing Army, Police, and other security forces as well as developing Iraq's security institutions and building associated infrastructure, such as training bases, police stations, and border forts.
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Well Petraeus is the best choice for Commanding General in Iraq. And he replaced George Casey who was promoted to Chief of Staff of the US Army...
And guess what Petraeus has under his belt that makes him the best choice:
-1995, assigned to the United Nations Mission in Haiti Military Staff as its Chief Operations Officer during Operation Uphold Democracy.
-1999, deployed to Kuwait as part of Operation Desert Spring.
-2001–2002, ten-month tour in Bosnia-Herzegovina as part of Operation Joint Forge. Was the NATO Stabilization Force Assistant Chief of Staff for Operations and the Deputy Commander of the U.S. Joint Interagency Counter-Terrorism Task Force in Bosnia.
-2003, Petraeus led his division through fierce fighting south of Baghdad, in Karbala, Hilla, and Najaf.
-In Mosul, Petraeus and the 101st employed classic counterinsurgency methods to build security and stability, including conducting targeted kinetic operations and using force judiciously, jump-starting the economy, building local security forces, staging elections for the city council within weeks of their arrival, overseeing a program of public works, reinvigorating the political process, and launching 4,500 reconstruction projects.
"It's widely accepted that no force worked harder to win Iraqi hearts and minds than the 101st Air Assault Division led by Petraeus."
-2004, became the first commander of the Multi-National Security Transition Command Iraq. This newly-created command had responsibility for training, equipping, and mentoring Iraq's growing Army, Police, and other security forces as well as developing Iraq's security institutions and building associated infrastructure, such as training bases, police stations, and border forts.
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Heck, even without the link it still says the same thing. A "timetable for programming their presence" is the same thing as a "timetable for withdrawal".
If anything, the author of this article is more dishonest for attempting to twist his words into the opposite of his intent.
They are not the same. "programming" is designing a structure or appearance. What he said was about determining what kind of presence the troops will have/what their roles will be.
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