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Old 07-17-2008, 03:43 AM
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How can we denounce those troops for fighting in Iraq? It isn't their fault they were sent over there. If you want someone to blame for them being there, if you want someone to blame for their, and Iraqi citizens deaths, look at the US government, but leave the troops alone.
Because soldiers are supposed to disobey immoral orders as a code of conduct. Ever see "A Few Good Men?" It is along those lines.

Soldiers can even be deployed into battle - fulfilling their obligations, but once they fire on a civilian, once they destroy a civilian target...they become culpable to the immorality of that war.
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Because soldiers are supposed to disobey immoral orders as a code of conduct. Ever see "A Few Good Men?" It is along those lines.

Soldiers can even be deployed into battle - fulfilling their obligations, but once they fire on a civilian, once they destroy a civilian target...they become culpable to the immorality of that war.
But if they have to kill someone, it may be out of their control - self defence - how can they be denaunced then?
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Your argument is, we will never know peace becuase war is apart of our nature. What makes you think our nature will remain primitive even though we evolve?
As I stated before look at our evolution as we advance the only thing that changes is the effectiveness by which we wage war. For example in the last 100 years the human race has killed more people then in all of history put together.



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Those who wage war, are primitive compared to the ones who don't.
And who are these people that dont wage war?


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I thought it also led to speaking, better medicine etc.
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Diplomacy can be used in every instance of war, with the exception of an attack. The last time we were attacked by a state was Pearl Harbor.
Diplomacy was tried and failed with Hitler leading to a catastrophic war a war which could have been stopped by a preemtive strike against Germany.


Those who will not fight when it is nessacary will certainlyl die.
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Diplomacy was tried and failed with Hitler leading to a catastrophic war a war which could have been stopped by a preemtive strike against Germany.


Those who will not fight when it is nessacary will certainlyl die.
Appeasement was tried with Hitler. That is not the only kind of diplomacy there is, no matter what Bush says to try to discredit Obama .

I agree that those who do not fight when it is necessary will certainly die. I just don't think it's almost ever necessary.
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Appeasement was tried with Hitler. That is not the only kind of diplomacy there is, no matter what Bush says to try to discredit Obama .

I agree that those who do not fight when it is necessary will certainly die. I just don't think it's almost ever necessary.


What type of diplomacy would have worked against Hitler?

War is not always nessacary but your enemies must understand that its a very real possibility.
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I'm sure a tougher approach taken earlier on when he didn't have as much military leverage would have proven useful, but the question of 'how could we have stopped hitler' spawns a dozen topics in and of itself. Suffice to say I am confident that diplomacy, handled correctly, could have worked.

I don't think the best conditions for politics are when people are in a state of constant fear of massive brutality and total warfare. That doesn't seem like a healthy way to manage a world society. War is sometimes necessary, but the possibility of war should not be the factor that informs all our actions.
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What type of diplomacy would have worked against Hitler?
If you find out, let the folks in the Middle East know so they can use it against McBush!
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What type of diplomacy would have worked against Hitler?

War is not always nessacary but your enemies must understand that its a very real possibility.
Diplomacy was tried and tried and tried. Eventually the result of failed attempts may be war.

Diplomacy does not start with a bombing. It may in the end finish that way but it doesn't seem like a good place to start.
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Diplomacy was tried and tried and tried. Eventually the result of failed attempts may be war.

Diplomacy does not start with a bombing. It may in the end finish that way but it doesn't seem like a good place to start.
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Diplomacy was tried and tried and tried. Eventually the result of failed attempts may be war.

Diplomacy does not start with a bombing. It may in the end finish that way but it doesn't seem like a good place to start.

No Diplomacy was tried and failed while Hitler only got stronger and when there was no other choice but war Millions died that wouldnt have otherwise if the Allied powers acted when it was appropriate.

Diplomacy does not start with bombing is an incorrect statement it is an opinion. Showing the willingness to use force sometimes prevents wars while trying dialouge shows weakness and provides opportunity for the enemy to gain power.
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