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because the 8 month old fetus could just as easily be removed from the mother's belly and be kept alive.
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So if you have two conjoined twins and one would certainly die if they were separated, they should be separated anyway if the other twin wants it...because if the first one cant survive on her own it's just too (*)(*)(*)(*) bad, right?
Thats the analogy you are making.
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if it was somehow possible to keep the unborn alive even if removed from the mother in the first trimester, would you agree with that?
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Probably. But right now that isn't an option. So I am taking the next least offensive alternative.
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Viability is the issue here, and pretty much always has been in the abortion debate.
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Maybe on your side.
No, viability is not the issue for many people where abortion is concerned. the fetus has value even if it cannot survive outside the womb.
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Of course you have that right. You can do what you like. Nobody is saying you don't have a right to judge - you just don't have a right to decide.
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Not alone. But the American People have the right to decide collectively. You cant violate someone else's rights even if you personally believe they have no rights.
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And if you think that the only reason women have abortions is out of convenience, you're either ignorant, stupid, or both.
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I don't recall making that claim. Please pay attention.
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You don't strike me as either
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You'd have no way of knowing on an anonymous forum either way.
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so there must be an inherent refusal to learn anything more about it in there somewhere.
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If you really believe that, why respond to me at all?
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Me: Tell me, would you feel the same way about Nazis claiming that killing Jews was regrettable but necessary? If a concentration camp overseer described his duties as "a terrible, conscience-rending decision, and experience", would that elicit sympathy from you?
I really can't even believe that you would compare the two.
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Because you do not believe the fetus is a person. You believe it is an object. The same way the Nazi's objectified Jews.
This is the reason Pro-lifers will never compromise with you. The only way you will ever convince us is to prove to us that the fetus is an object, not a person. Until you accomplish that, there is no sob-story that will be heart wrenching enough to convince us that the fetus can be killed because the mother decides it.
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It would make more sense for you to just say straight out `I don't agree with abortion' and leave it at that.
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I already did that. I chose to elaborate further as a courtesy, since this is a debate and not a poll.
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Because clearly it's that simple and cut-and-dried for you
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It is in this case. There are circumstances where I would find abortion acceptable. Convenience is not one of them.
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If you're going to protest something, you'd think you'd be interested in learning all the facts
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What facts am I missing? Can you be specific?