Thanks to the Surge! - Page 11

Guy Fawkes · #**101** (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by f100supersabr

I should also remove the 'Patronymic von' because that denotes some form of good stuff in German ? Since in German Waffen means ‘arms or weapons and Rumsfeld is a Germanic name I thought that it was appropriate.

Shrub did not live up to the the Powell doctrine of over-whellming force !! I am not a blind partisan so I do not care if it was a Democrat or who told the Shrub to use over-whellming force or a Republican or an independent. Shrub listened to Rummy, cheeny and the pack of NEOCON KNOW-NOTHINGS AND that was bad.

You admitted yourself that the RUMMY WAS A 'MORON'. What does that say The Shrub to having listened to a "Moron" ?????

Waffen SS. Rumsfeld wouldn't qualify.

knuckledragger · #**102** (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 07:14 PM

History will be the judge of this mechanic

E_Pluribus_Venom · #**103** (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JMS

that car is a success!

So can I have it back?

Mechanic: No. It might be broken.

So... why are you calling it a success?

Mechanic: Because it worked!

So... if it works, why can't I have it back?

Mechanic: We have to make sure.

So... you're unsure.

Mechanic: No. It works.

So... if you are sure, let me have it back.

Mechanic: No.

E_Pluribus_Venom · #**104** (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by E_Pluribus_Venom

So can I have it back?

Mechanic: No. It might be broken.

So... why are you calling it a success?

Mechanic: Because it worked!

So... if it works, why can't I have it back?

Mechanic: We have to make sure.

So... you're unsure.

Mechanic: No. It works.

So... if you are sure, let me have it back.

Mechanic: No.

Is there someone else I can talk to about my car?

Mechanic: I'll be giving my job up soon. One guy will keep my strategy, and the other wants you to have your car back.

But what if I want the guy who will give me my car?

Mechanic: It'd be surrender and defeat.

So... wait, who's paying for this?

Mechanic: We are

So... the people who made you their manager are paying for this out of pocket?

Mechanic: Yep

So... Won't that put you out of business?

Mechanic: We call it a recession

So... you're ok with that?

Mechanic: Sir, nothing is as important as your oil change.

*bows*

Hard-Driver · #**105** (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JP5

Thanks to the decisions of Pres. Bush---the foresight of John McCain---and our wonderful military, Obama is able to visit this "former hotbed" area inside Iraq. Had we done what Obama wanted to do---which was cut and run a long time ago-- this would NOT be possible:

BAGHDAD - Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama traveled to a former hotbed of the Sunni insurgency on Tuesday for talks with tribal leaders who joined the fight against al-Qaida in Iraq and now seek a deeper role in Iraq's political future.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/..._pr/obama_iraq

So then, you have the magical crystal ball that shows what would have happened if the surge strategy was not employed..... year right.

Just ignore the Mahdi army cease fire, it was the surge.
Just ignore the completion of ethnic cleansings of the mixed neighborhoods and the resultant segregation of the sects in Iraq.
Just ignore the fact that the Iraqi government might have then established credibility and gain authority over the country.

Who know...

I can only tell you ONE fact, that you do not know what would have happened any more than I do.

Rusticus · #**106** (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JP5

I'm QUITE sure he has lost most ALL of the military vote while on this trip----if he had much to begin with.

What do you base that on?

MidwestMax · #**107** (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusticus

What do you base that on?

Waltzing in and telling the very men and women (our military) that what they did (the surge) didn't work, when they know full well that it did.

E_Pluribus_Venom · #**108** (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MidwestMax

Waltzing in and telling the very men and women (our military) that what they did (the surge) didn't work, when they know full well that it did.

welp.. since there's no indication of Military individuals being upset with Obama (and video proof that suggests the opposite)... it's pretty safe to say that you and JLB are just hoping and dreaming.

Glinda · #**109** (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jovial One

... or want to go in with sufficient force in the first place. THEM generals you FIRE before their nonsense infects the troops! Right?

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Originally Posted by Guy Fawkes

I don't remember anyone on the other side saying at the time, we need MORE troops. Do you ?

TJO didn't say anything about "sides." Partisan much?

As for generals who were fired for saying that we needed more troops in our assault on Iraq - General Eric Shinseki.

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Eric Ken Shinseki (born November 28, 1942) was the 35th Chief of Staff of the United States Army (1999 - 2003). He is the first Asian American in U.S. history to be a four-star general, and the first to lead one of the four U.S. military services. During his tenure, Shinseki initiated an innovative but controversial plan to make the Army more strategically deployable and mobile in urban terrain by creating Stryker Interim-Force Brigade Combat Teams. His long-term initiative was called Objective Force and the main long-term weapons program he pushed was the Future Combat Systems.

Shinseki is famous for his remarks to the U.S. Senate Armed Services committee before the war in Iraq in which he said "something in the order of several hundred thousand soldiers" would probably be required for post-war Iraq. Then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz publicly disagreed with his estimate.

On November 15, 2006, in testimony before Congress, CENTCOM Commander Gen. John Abizaid said that General Shinseki's estimate had proved correct. --Wiki

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On August 1, 2003, Donald Rumsfeld replaced General Shinseki as Army Chief of Staff with General Peter J. Schoomaker after Shineski "questioned the cakewalk scenario, and told Congress (that February) that we would need several hundred thousand soldiers in Iraq to put an end to the violence against our troops and against each other." --Eric Shinseki

Guy Fawkes · #**110** (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Glinda

TJO didn't say anything about "sides." Partisan much?

As for generals who were fired for saying that we needed more troops in our assault on Iraq - General Eric Shinseki.

Partisan? Only that I want both sides to go away and be replaced by those willing to represent the People. My question still stands "who on the other side said before the War that we need more troops"? One side blames Bush and the other side points fingers.

Glinda the might be a good witch, I can go to a football game and place no value in either team, you still have this side and that side. I don't care for football but I can still understand what is going on on the field. See where I'm coming from? Oh, I can play football too, It's just that I prefer to play water polo.

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