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Old 07-25-2008, 06:30 AM
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Why should he be fired for an opinion? Since when did we make being a stupid gas bag illegal? Now, if advertisers decide to pull out and his show loses money I could see letting him go. His job is to make money after all. But he should have every right to be a moron. Which, after all, he is.
OF COURSE he has the right to be the moron that he is. But he doesn't have the right to hide from the anger of the people he bashes.
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Well, I listened to him yesterday and he talked more about it and he is saying most are over diagnosed, but there are those who really have the disease. You must know whether or not you child has autism. I don't know you so I can't say if you're a bad parent. But I won't take back what I said and I support Dr. Savage's statements.

If my parents had listened to doctors, I would have been aborted, but once I was born had the listened to another doctor I would have been diagnosed with autism...turns out I just needed glasses.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over the burnt remnants.
Again, the man didn't say "some are overdiagnosed", he said "99%" are "brats" with bad parents that need to smack around their kids. He can spin his comments all he wants, but what's said is said. He needs to be a man and apologize for the crass remarks.

As for "over-diagnosis", has anyone perhaps considered the fact that we've seen advances in the diagnosis and treatment of PDD/autistic spectrum disorders? Has nobody thought that Asperger Syndrome is just now being understood and more accurately diagnosed? Or that it is more common than "classic" autism? Has nobody considered that parents who are going for help aren't looking for a disorder-du-jour, but are taking their frickin' parental responsibility seriously to give their child every opportunity to be a productive member of society? It's a heck of a lot cheaper to get a child treated for ADD/ADHD than PDD, autism, or Aspergers. Heck, even with my insurance I have forked out over $2300 in the last two months in co-pays and deductibles, and I've spend hundreds on resources to educate myself and assist with treatment. I'm also sure when I get the next invoice for my company's health care plan (since I'm the lucky guy who pays the bills), it will be going up significantly.

Dr. Wiener can talk down about this stuff all he wants; it doesn't make his comments true or ethical.
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Old 07-25-2008, 06:46 AM
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I agree the reason for the rise in indentifying Autism is related to greed of the pharmacuetical companies and Doctors.
I think there are two main factors at play:

1 - The recognition of Asperger Syndrome as an autistic spectrum disorder, and the proper diagnosis of what was missed before.

2 - Elevated levels of toxins and pollutants in food sources, as well as the atmosphere. It's not just more autism we're seeing -- cancers, Alzheimer's, ADD/ADHD, and many more diseases are far higher than before. I personally believe they're all connected to the incredible amounts of pollutants we're ingesting/inhaling on a daily basis.
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Again, the man didn't say "some are overdiagnosed", he said "99%" are "brats" with bad parents that need to smack around their kids. He can spin his comments all he wants, but what's said is said. He needs to be a man and apologize for the crass remarks.
Really? You have listened to him before right? Well, if you haven't you should know he is a stubborn man. Plus he has a point. He may have imbellished, but I got the point nonetheless.

You are taking this way too personal, but I can't tell you to stop. I have some great friends that are diagnosed with various diseases, but I know many people who are misdiagnosed with all sorts of crap, but they are now stuck on all sorts of meds.
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I think there are two main factors at play:

1 - The recognition of Asperger Syndrome as an autistic spectrum disorder, and the proper diagnosis of what was missed before.

2 - Elevated levels of toxins and pollutants in food sources, as well as the atmosphere. It's not just more autism we're seeing -- cancers, Alzheimer's, ADD/ADHD, and many more diseases are far higher than before. I personally believe they're all connected to the incredible amounts of pollutants we're ingesting/inhaling on a daily basis.
There used to be a hell lot more pollutants in the cities and water supplies then there is today. What we have is Doctors and Drug companies making huge ammounts of money on exagerating results. Is Autism real yes, is it that prevelant no.
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Really? You have listened to him before right? Well, if you haven't you should know he is a stubborn man. Plus he has a point. He may have imbellished, but I got the point nonetheless.

You are taking this way too personal, but I can't tell you to stop. I have some great friends that are diagnosed with various diseases, but I know many people who are misdiagnosed with all sorts of crap, but they are now stuck on all sorts of meds.
Of course he's taking it personal. When it happens in your own home, you want to know everything about and you will have first hand knowledge. If I had to deal with it and then heard some idiot exaggerate it just to make a point, I'd be mad too. Heck, I share his outrage.

Well, misdiagnosis is going to happen. No surprise there. Like I stated before, they missed me two out of the last three times. Did an ultrasound for clots and they missed it. Did an x-ray for appendicitis and they missed it. Part of effective diagnosis is what is the reaction to the RX. Think about it. Doctor says its this and you're going to get better in two weeks. Two weeks later, you're still sick. You go back and somebody looks again. Sometimes this is how diagnosis works. If someone is "stuck" on drugs, and they are not getting better, they owe it to themselves to get another opinion.

I was thinking how my sleep apnea was one of the hardest things to diagnose. I kept telling the doctor I was constantly tired, had long colds, slept a lot, etc. One of the ways its normally caught is because usually your spouse or someone else observes your sleep and your behavior. How would you even know what to tell the doctor? Plus I was lucky enough to have a doctor who had just read information about it and this was back in 1998 before information started coming out about it. Twenty years ago, the concept of sleep apnea was not really known-sleep science is relatively new.

Since medicine has become more and more complicated as medical advances have occurred, how hard is for the average doctor to be able to keep up with it?
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OF COURSE he has the right to be the moron that he is. But he doesn't have the right to hide from the anger of the people he bashes.
When did I say he did?
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Of course he's taking it personal. When it happens in your own home, you want to know everything about and you will have first hand knowledge. If I had to deal with it and then heard some idiot exaggerate it just to make a point, I'd be mad too. Heck, I share his outrage.
So you don't think Dr. Savage researched this? Plus, what about Dr. Breggins who sides with Savage that even goes further than Savage did on the discussion.
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Shock Jocks Watch: Savage Gets Dropped in Cleveland

Posted by Satyam, Think Progress at 4:23 PM on July 25, 2008.



"[Michael Savage] is a knucklehead, and I want to get rid of him."


Last week, Media Matters caught right-wing radio talker Michael Savage claiming that autism is a "fraud" and "a racket" where "99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out."

But Savage's controversial remarks about autistic children have gotten him booted off Cleveland's airwaves, the Cleveland Plain-Dealer reports:


WHK AM/1420, the only Cleveland-area station carrying Savage's radio talk show, is breaking its contract with Savage's syndicator, Talk Radio Network, said Mark Jaycox, who manages the Cleveland stations under the Salem Communications corporate umbrella.

"This guy's a knucklehead, and I want to get rid of him," Jaycox said. The radio station Super Talk Mississippi announced recently that they were canceling Savage's show because of the autism comments.

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I'm pretty much thinking that was his personal opinion. Something that he has a right to express. If you don't like it...don't listen to him.
Or you could support the notion of free speech by adopting the attitude, "If you don't like it....express yourself.
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