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Does the overwhelming absurdity of this line of reasoning ever weigh in upon you in your quiet moments? It was a reach in Madison's time; It's ridiculous now.
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I'm not sure what you mean by absurd. It's an absolute truth. Whether or not it's relevant to the current situation is what we're getting to the base of, but regardless, no people should fear their government, and a government, being derived of the people, should be wary of getting out of line.
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Do you actually believe that the powers that be are intimated by the largely untrained and totally disorganized gun owners in this country?
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No, they're not scared of the individuals, they are scared of the individuals grouping together and making a stand as one people. That is also why they try to quell that day for as long as possible. They know it's inevitable; they just want to make sure they have all their new bills in place, so they can throw martial law in our faces. Remember Nazi Germany.
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And who would organize, muster, and lead these stalwart, gun owning citizens if they felt the need to move against their government?
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I would.
So would any of the hundreds of other militia members I know.
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As for me, I think I'll depend on the checks and balances the founders built in to our system of government. They've worked pretty well for over 200 years.
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If you choose to sit back and let the government take over, that's your prerogative as an American and as a human. But to assume that everyone else is going to bend over so they have easy access to rape us is just foolish.
I understand where you come from Drake, I really do. Until 9/11 I was pretty much just like you, "Ah, the government screws up but they're just trying to fix stuff." Afterwards, the events of 9/11 made me take a closer look at the how's and why's of what happened.
I have concluded that this evidence is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing, and all attempts made by people with more connections than me to get answers have been altogether ignored. Evidence + denial = More questions for a tight case.