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Originally Posted by concheet
I do not accept that they were "anti-peace." That is a biased characterisation. They were for peace-for-peace. Did you listen carefully to Meir Kahane? He was not against peace. He was for it. But of course, not at any price. The dead are peaceful, too.
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Peace for peace... I'm sure that's going to work.
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There was no peace partner at that time either. Arafat was a corrupt old man who spoke one language to his people and another to the rest of the world. The Oslo Accords turned into the Oslo War. The so-called Peace Process was an illusion.
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Yes, I agree with that, but wanting "Peace for peace" is not very peaceful after 40 years of occupation.
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Now that is something I agree with and brought up myself in an earlier post. You can substitute "Palestinian" for "Israeli" in that paragraph and ditto.
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True. The only reason I used the word "Israeli" is because of your claim that the Israelis want "Peace" when there is actually no common grounds for peace.
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Again your characterisation of Netanyahu as "anti-peace" shows that the very issue of "peace" has not been defined. I believe, as do many Israelis, that Netanyahu is very much in favor of peace.
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What kind of "Peace" is he for?
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Originally Posted by concheet
It was you who brought up how Tel-Aviv is the major big-party town and Sderot is just a dinky little town with a few people and how only 7 Israelis have been killed..... and at the same time claiming that the Palestinians have suffered so much that their behaviors against Israel is warranted and can be 'excused' while at the same time demanding that Israel do nothing to defend herself, not even build a wall.
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I brought up "Tel-Aviv = Party City" to explain the difference between the life of an average Israeli vs. the life of the average Palestinian, that's when you started waving a poor 8 year old boy in my face (and showed me how much sympathy you have in your heart for poor 8 year old boys).
If you think that the Palestinians have no right to "Defend" themselves, so be it.
If you think that building a wall will create a "Peaceful situation" in the long run, so be it.
There are two sides to the story, I'm not saying Israel shouldn't defend herself, I'm saying that they shouldn't be surprised when they get hit. The Israeli governments "Collective Punishment" responses to Palestinian rockets and terrorism won't do them any good in the long run, that is, in the future when the will want to negotiate "Peace" with a people that hate them so much they want to destroy them (after 40 years of occupation, and living behind walls & fences).
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Originally Posted by concheet
I don't want you to say anything. I certainly don't expect you to pretend to sympathies you don't have. However, you don't minimize the suffering of one group of people and maximize the suffering of another if you aspire to be fair.
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I feel sorry for both sides, it's you who obviously doesn't.
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I hold everyone responsible for his own actions. That's a fundamental tenet of civil and human rights.
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They don't have the same rights as you and I have (and as Israelis have). If they did, maybe they wouldn't be as upset as they obviously are...
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Originally Posted by concheet
I don't throw my neighbor in jail for something that someone else did.
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Israel is collectively punishing ALL Palestinians, what part of that don't you get?