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I believe that there is such a thing as 'good' Muslims, can you believe it?
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That's quite a surprise judging by the way you speak of them.
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And I believe that people raised in the most impoverished way, even so poor that they eat dirt, can be "good" people.
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Some of them are and some aren't, my point was that if you lived under the same conditions as the residents of Gaza, you would have a much different perspective on life, I'm about 1000% sure about that.
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1) I don't believe that "all" Arabs are backwards. Indeed, there are many billion Muslims that live better than the Palestinians. Too bad they don't put their heads and hearts and finances together to solve this problem. Because they could.
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Maybe yes and maybe no, I'd love to see them try.
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I don't remember bringing up Islamic women and football, but now you have let me state for the record that I don't think that any person should be treated like an inferior because of his race, color, or gender. Every human being has the right to fulfill his potential, and not be a slave to another.
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I thought you did (Islamic woman), my mistake. The footbal was just a fun coltural example.
Now that we're on the subject, do you really feel that Palestinians have (as you say) the right to fulfill their potential when you factor in all of the conditions in which they live in?
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He wasn't decapitated in this case. He "just" lost his leg. I take it you have never been a parent. An 8 year old child losing his leg is a tragedy. Of course he is only a Jewish boy....
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I'm a Jewish boy. I said that because you obviously have more sympathy for Jewish boys than Palestinian boys, don't try to make me sound like an "Animal".
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Please demonstrate where I have "waved off" the terrorism in Iraq that is directed at Muslims? I am in fact sympathetic to the Muslim victims of terrorism as I am of the Muslims of Afghanistan, both of which are victims of the same kind of terrorism that the Israelis are. I was in favor of both wars to liberate those people from tyranny.
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How about the terrorising of the Palestinian people, the innocent ones that is?
(not all 3.5 Million of them are terrorists - obviously)
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huh? where did I demonstrate that? I said each one is responsible for his own actions. Animals are not "responsible" for their own actions.
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Calling 3.5 Million people "An Animal" and believing (for whatever reason) that they deserve to live in a cage (so that they don't bite) paints a pretty clear picture in my mind.
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I don't agree that the separation wall is a crime against humanity.
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Think again.
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I think it was built to prevent crimes against humanity. The Palestinians are not good neighbors. Israel is doing the most humanitarian thing possible.
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Doing something criminal to prevent crimes... interesting.
I never said they were good neighbors, but neither are the Israelis. There are some bad people on both sides and to think otherwise is simply turning a blind eye.
The fact that the Israeli government uses 18-21 year old soldiers is a sad reality, the Palestinians don't have the luxury of having an armed forces.
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You are making things up here Ziggy. I have never said nor implied that anyone deserves a "life of luxury" and anyone else deserves "zilch." I have said live and let live, and let the Palestinians take what they have and make good use of it - and leave the Israelis alone.
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These "Live and let Live" and "Peace for Peace" slogans don't hold water, that's the problem with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and why (in time) the only way to resolve anything is a two state solution, either that or one sides ethnic cleansing. I vote for the "Two State" thing, it has a much better ring to it.
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My 'narrow-mindedness'? I have told you that you have misinterpreted my positions and (I believe) the positions of millions of (right-wing, non-dovish) Israelis. (Not to mention that you have said nothing at all about the sizable element of quite dovish Israelis)
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They are stuck with a political map that is problematic for their cause. I would be on the "Quite Dovish" side, and so would my family members, I think you don't realize how frustrating it is to be an Israeli (maybe half in my case), and see what your government is doing to 3.5 Million people.
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Yet you insist you know my mind and that it is narrow.
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No offence but I'm sure of it, you must read a little bit about the other sides issues before you take sides.
I am (however) glad that this previous post has less of a "Racial Slur" to it, much respect.
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You yourself said these things could not be discussed without a clear understanding of what "peace" means, yet you moved on without even trying to define it, and accuse others of being against it!
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I have my own ideas in regards to what should be offered, but there is no way that the Israeli side will give what needs to be given. It would include parts of Jerusalem which is taboo for the (so-called) anti-peace Israelis, those whom you say want "Peace for Peace" and are simply lying to themselves.
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You are a fine one to talk about prejudice, when you are comfortable with the Islamic treatment of woman because it's a "cultural issue that has been a way of life for them for over 1,000 years" Just because you have been a slave for 1000 years doesn't make it right. And it is never right to target innocent children.
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Ask Islamic woman how they feel about it, even the Western-Modern Islamic woman living in Europe (London, Paris, etc.). You obviously don't understand anything about Islam if you call Islamic women slaves, there are different coltures in the world, not just the "American Way".
In India (for example), cows are a "Holy" animal, so no "Double McWhoppers" for them.
In Japan (for example) they eat whale, it's been like that for hundreds (if not thousands of years).
Who are we to judge how one culture chooses to live?
Of course I agree when it comes to the innocent children issue, but that's "War" right...
They get hurt in Israel, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and all other places where a violent conflict is taking place. You can think that they (Palestinian terrorists) target children, but I'll argue that they are not being selective at all. Yes, that's a sad reality but like I said before, they don't have the luxury of having an armed forces (equiped by a United States modern technological weapons arsenal). And that's just another part of this problematic issue, and maybe it would be a good thing (interesting either way) if we could ask Richard M. Nixon what he was thinking in 1968.