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Originally Posted by ziggy
There are two sides to the story, I'm not saying Israel shouldn't defend herself, I'm saying that they shouldn't be surprised when they get hit. The Israeli governments "Collective Punishment" responses to Palestinian rockets and terrorism won't do them any good in the long run, that is, in the future when the will want to negotiate "Peace" with a people that hate them so much they want to destroy them (after 40 years of occupation, and living behind walls & fences).
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Even before Yassar Arafat, the Palestinians notoriously did absolutely nothing to curtail terrorism in Israel. Nothing. This has been a major bone of contention for Israel for the last 40 years. The wall, and what you call "collective punishment", is simply Israel's attempt to do what the Palestinians have intentionally avoided doing for decades.
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I feel sorry for both sides, it's you who obviously doesn't.
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"Feeling sorry" is not the issue. Feeling sorry for people won't bring peace. I agree, that treating people with humanity is more conducive to peace, but even this is beside the point. For me, the issue is --- what terms are the two parties asking for? Israel, for its part, wants only security and, for some parties, certain areas of land. To me that seems reasonable. The Palestinians, on the other hand, want the whole enchillada, as I've mentioned before.
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Israel is collectively punishing ALL Palestinians, what part of that don't you get?
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And Palestine's indiscriminate attacks against Israel also constitute collective punishment. The difference is, Israel's collective punishment are logical physical measures to defend its borders, whereas Palestinian collective punishment involve indiscriminate killing of Jews. Either way, the issue for me is not, which side is the more callous. Rather, it is which side is making reasonable demands.